What If The Scariest Monsters Are Us Ep. 16

A movie that was mocked as a goofy 1980s alien flick ends up feeling like a field guide to modern life. Justin & Erik dig into why They Live still hits so hard, from the “glasses” that strip away the pretty filter to the uncomfortable idea that control doesn’t need lasers or spaceships. Sometimes it just needs money, incentives, and a population that’s too tired to fight the signal.

From there, we jump into one of the messiest kinds of internet storytelling: the Erica Kirk allegations and the way clips, timelines, and name-drops spread across platforms once Epstein is in the frame. We talk through what’s being claimed, why people argue over “proof,” and how fast online certainty can form even when the facts are still contested.

Then it gets weird in the best way. We explore UFO “conjuring” and how the Prophet Yahweh news segment from CBS5 that still creeps into your head, and the bigger questions raised by Jacques Vallée’s “control system” take on UAPs. We also break down a strange blue orb-style sighting caught on Justin's phone, and how similar it is to Prophet Yaheh's conjuring.

To close, we walk through the Demon House story using reported police documentation and react to the details that make even skeptics squirm: the basement, the oily substance, the audio, and the buried objects under the stairs. If you’re into conspiracy culture, UFOs, paranormal cases, and media analysis, there’s a lot here to argue with, and even more to think about. Subscribe, share the episode with a friend who loves the strange stuff, and leave a review, then tell us what you think you’d see if you put the glasses on.

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Transcript

Quick Thanks And YouTube Request

SPEAKER_11 1:20

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Satire On Israel Criticism And Censorship

SPEAKER_23 1:46

I'm here to offer a public apology for my criticisms of Israel. I'm deeply sorry. This is a learning moment for me, and I'll share with you the six lessons I've learned from my grave mistakes. But first, here's my full confession and apology. I've made videos recently erroneously criticizing the Israeli government. And while there was plenty of agreement with my perspectives, there was also some rageful backlash. And I took note of the many hostile comments insulting me, calling me a Jew hater, an anti-Semite, smearing my character. And those comments have completely changed my mind on the topic of Israel. Quite frankly, the intimidation worked. I realized I was being an anti-Semite, full of hate, and I now fully support the government of Israel. I'm sorry for everything I've said. Sincerely, it was wrong. But here's what surprised me. I took painstaking efforts to deceive you, the viewer. In my videos criticizing Israel, I would carefully put in nuance to draw the distinction that I wasn't talking about Jewish people or citizens of Israel, while clearly stating I was talking about the government of the country of Israel. Like this. By the way, if you're sitting there going like, this isn't a look at citizens of Israel, this is a look at the Israeli government. But so-called haters like this saw right through that and knew that I was talking about Jewish people. The very people I wasn't talking about and deliberately said I wasn't talking about. Not only that, but they rightfully pointed out that I hate Jews. My only question to these commenters is like, how could you tell? That's what I was cause I tried so hard to hide it. And other helpful comments like this one helped awaken me from the Jew hate I had just fallen into. F you, you fing moron. There's 57 Muslim countries, we can have one. Go f yourself. It occurred to me a person like this is excellent at spotting hate because she clearly has none of it inside of her, and she correctly spotted it in me. These types of comments were very effective. They typically involved hostility, character smearing, insults fueled by anger. In other words, they're the loudest people screaming. And that might make you think that if you don't agree with them, then you're in a small, shameful minority of people. But according to this poll, they're actually in the 5.5% minority of people. What does that tell you? Well, it tells you that 94.5% of people need hostility and emotionally charged insults thrown at them so they can be convinced to think like you. Just like I was. I mean, my realization was like, look at the behavior of these people calling me an anti-Semitic sack of shit. What do they believe? Because I want to be just like them. And realizing that they have the exact same perspectives as Lindsey Graham gives me a good, principled man to set my sights on to emulate. And even though people like say it, I honestly don't think Lindsey Graham is gay. Side note, I also noticed that most of the haters had Israel flags in their bios. Just to clarify, when people were doing that with Ukraine saying Ukraine's our greatest ally, we know it was just people falling for anti-American propaganda. But with Israel, it's different because Israel is our greatest ally. And I I stand with Israel. At least I do now. Now, before I get to the very humbling lessons I've learned, I want you to know that I recently sat down with two of my closest friends who are Jewish. Here's what I said to them. I apologize for hating you guys. They said back to me, How have you been hating us? I said, Well, I've been openly criticizing Netanyahu and Israel's government, and I've learned that's really me hating you Jews. And they said, No, it's not. We have family in Israel and they hate Netanyahu. They went on and said, according to polls in Israel, only 40% of Israelis trust Netanyahu. They're really frightened by the guy and how he runs things and the direction he's taking their country. So I said back to them, I don't think that matters because citizens in the state of Israel are God's chosen people, and Netanyahu is their leader. And they said, Well, you've obviously been indoctrinated with dispensationalism and Zionism. Prior to those made-up ideologies, there were completely different interpretations for what Israel and God's chosen people meant in the Bible. And I said, I don't think that matters. But they just wouldn't listen to me. They said, besides, if God was referring to literal Middle Eastern Israelis, a ton of people in Israel don't have that DNA because they come from Europe. That's why DNA tests are outlawed in Israel, aside from some medical and legal testing exceptions, because they don't want people to know. And I said back to them, God, I hate you people. And there it was again. Then they called me gay and didn't accept my apology because they weren't convinced that I actually hate them. This one's insightful. JP Sears saw how much money Jew hating makes, so he decided to join in. Remember, retards like JP look at this map and think Arabs are the victims. Dude, I have become very wealthy from Jew hating. But like how did they know that? I don't even know how I'm gonna earn money anymore. Do you think I'm a retard?

SPEAKER_22 7:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_23 7:58

Oh. Now, with my apology, I'd like to offer the lessons I've learned from my mistakes in hopes that others can learn from them too. Lesson one, you should be aligned with the side that's doing the censoring. Because prior to my video called, Hey Man, what's Zionism being censored from YouTube? I wasn't. And now I am, and you should be too, because censorship is known for being on the right side of history. And please do support your politicians who are actively trying to pass bills making it illegal to criticize or boycott Israel. Lesson two. I've learned that distrusting any government makes you a stupid sack of shit. I mean, if you're not in lockstep with the persistent narrative and talking points of the government because your senses and thinking tells you something else, then you hate Jews. Lesson three. I've learned that when there's tribalism intimidation tactics being used, threatening to outcast you from society by destroying your reputation, Jew hater, anti-Semite, etc., you want to immediately comply and fall in line. Acting out of your fear of not belonging aligns you with truth and really gives you more freedom as an individual. Lesson four. I've learned that Israel in no way has influence over the US government or US politicians. And the politicians that are funded by the Israel lobby APAC, which uh the ones in red are, it's not an indicator of those politicians being influenced by the lobby that pays them. And it is indeed anti-Semitic to think that there's any level of connection there. Lesson five. I've learned that thinking it's a crime, let alone evil, to commit genocide, prisoner rape, or killing children, is not only not true, it's anti-Semitic to think so. Lesson six. I've learned that we need to do whatever it takes to fight an ongoing war with Iran, and it has nothing to do with Israel. If you think it does, Jew hater. The truth is, our government says we need to, and we should trust that. And perhaps while we're over in Iran for as long as it takes, we could scoot over to Iraq and finally find those WMDs that we're told they have. So, with my apology, I hope you can learn from my mistakes faster than I did. With all of that, once again, I'm sorry. Sincerely. Really think I'm a retard?

SPEAKER_22 10:33

Yeah? What about the sack of shit?

SPEAKER_10 10:39

What a party, people.

Welcome And Today’s Lineup

SPEAKER_10 10:41

Hey, thank you, thank you for tuning in once again to our cool ass podcast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 10:47

Anything, everything and we podcast. Brought to you by Cracker Land Studios.

SPEAKER_10 10:56

Welcome back, y'all. Thank you once again for tuning in. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_11 11:00

We've got a good show for you today. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_10 11:02

Some crazy, crazy uh uh topics I think that everybody will like.

SPEAKER_11 11:06

You know, they look back at old movies and you're like, dude, I I can't believe they made that. You know what I mean? But this one actually will knock your socks off about how accurate or it was in telling the future. You know, it was one of those ones that was supposed to die real fast. It was only supposed to be made just to go straight to a VHS and end up in a dump somewhere. But it was a cult classic. A lot of people from the 80s, you know, 70s kids. We all ended up watching this movie, and it was pretty sweet. Um also we've got a little segment about conjuring UFOs. The guy in Ohio says I can conjure UFOs and the crazy, crazy similarities to what I recorded in my own backyard.

SPEAKER_10 11:54

Those guys are definitely gonna talk about that. I'm not really sure what what it is. It's like what the flip? Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 12:02

And then we got some stuff about Erica Kirk and you know, you know, that craziness with the city.

SPEAKER_10 12:11

And then we have a cool, crazy, haunted house story, which man, it I was like, we got true. Yeah, and we it's like, you know, after the craziest part.

Why They Live Feels Real

SPEAKER_17 12:36

They Live is not a science fiction movie. It is a documentary about us, right now. In 1988, critics dismissed John Carpenter's film as a cheap, goofy B movie about aliens. They said the acting was stiff. They said the six-minute alley fight was self-indulgent. They were wrong. They Live wasn't a story about monsters invading Earth. It was a ruthless autopsy of how we really live. It's a film about how comfortable we are with being controlled. And looking back at it 35 years later, the scariest thing isn't the aliens. It's that Carpenter didn't need to predict the future to write this horror story. He just looked out the window. To understand why this movie hits so hard today, you have to remember what 1988 felt like. It was morning in America. The stock market was the heartbeat of the culture. Greed wasn't just good, it was a virtue. Pop culture was drowning in neon, spandex, and relentless optimism. And into this party walked John Carpenter, the master of horror. But he wasn't bringing a slasher villain like Michael Myers this time. He was bringing a mirror. When They Live opened on November 4th, it debuted at number one, but the critics hated it. They saw a wrestler with a mullet shooting aliens in cheap rubber masks. They called the political message clunky and heavy-handed. They thought Carpenter was just trying to make a quick buck with an action flick. But that was the trick. The sci-fi genre was a Trojan horse. Carpenter knew that nobody in 1988 wanted to watch a lecture about supply side economics, so he wrapped his anger inside a B movie. He later said, By the time the 80s rolled around, I thought the world is being sold to us. He was watching the rise of the yuppie class, young, upwardly mobile professionals obsessed with status. He hated them. And he hated how easily everyone else was buying into their dream. So he made a movie where the villains weren't invaders from Mars. They were just business owners. The aliens in the film don't want to destroy the planet, they just want to develop it. They want to turn Earth into a third-world colony for their own galactic economy. It was a brilliant satire, but for years, most people only remembered the bubblegum line. However, if you look closer, the most disturbing part of the film isn't the monsters, it's the specific tool the hero uses to see them, and that tool completely flips our understanding of how the world works. This brings us to the most brilliant and most philosophical prop in cinema history, the Hoffman lenses. In almost every other sci-fi movie, when a character discovers a hidden world, the special effects add something. They add magic or ghosts or a digital overlay. But in They Live, the glasses do the exact opposite. They subtract. When Nada puts the sunglasses on, the color drains out of the world, the noise disappears. The beautiful woman on the billboard advertising a vacation isn't real. The glasses strip away the image and reveal the raw command underneath: marry and reproduce. The dollar bill in his hand doesn't say, in God we trust, it says, This is your God. The philosopher Slavoj Zizek famously analyzed this scene in his documentary The Pervert's Guide to Ideology. He argues that They Live gets the concept of ideology exactly right, where almost every other movie gets it wrong. We usually think of ideology, our political beliefs, our worldview, as a pair of glasses we put on to interpret the world. We think that if we take the glasses off, we will see reality as it truly is. Carpenter argues the opposite. He says that we are already wearing the glasses. The natural state of our world, the color, the fun, the entertainment. That is the lie. That is the filter. The trash can full of sunglasses in the church isn't a box of magic items. It's a box of painful truths. The Hoffman lenses don't distort reality. They force you to see the machinery without the paint job. They reveal that our society isn't a collection of free choices, it is a monochrome system of commands. Obey. And once you see the world this way, you can never unsee it. It is a traumatic, headache-inducing experience. Which explains why the most famous scene in the movie isn't a battle against the aliens, it's a fist fight against a friend. Nada finds his friend Frank, played by the incredible Keith David. He tries to get Frank to put on the glasses. Frank refuses. And what follows is one of the most confusing, exhausting, and iconic scenes in cinema. A fist fight that lasts for five minutes and 20 seconds. That is an eternity in movie time. For context, the famous lobby shootout in The Matrix is barely three minutes long. This alley fight was so demanding that Roddy Piper and Keith David rehearsed it for three weeks in Carpenter's backyard. Critics at the time called it self-indulgent. They said Carpenter just wanted to watch two muscular guys hit each other, but they missed the point entirely. If this was just an action movie, Nada would have tricked Frank or forced the glasses onto him in 10 seconds. But Carpenter dragged it out on purpose. He wanted us to feel the exhaustion. He wanted us to see the blood, the bruises, and the sheer physical toll of the struggle. Why? Because Frank isn't a villain. Frank represents the exhaustion of the working class. He has a job, he has a life, and he knows the system is rigged. But he has carved out a tiny slice of comfort within that system. Putting on the glasses means losing that comfort. It means accepting that everything he has worked for is a lie. It means he has to do something about it. The fight scene is a violent metaphor for how hard it is to wake someone up. It is painful to dismantle your own worldview. It hurts to admit that you have been complicit. Frank fights dirty. He bites, he kicks, he does everything he can to stay blind. Because ignorance isn't just bliss. Ignorance is safety. And when he finally, finally puts the glasses on, he doesn't cheer. He doesn't feel empowered. He looks at the aliens standing beside him and he is horrified. Because the monsters aren't hideous beasts from a nightmare. They look much, much worse. They look like us. The scariest design choice in the movie is that the aliens aren't scary in the traditional sense. They don't have fangs, they don't have claws, they look like corpses that have been left out in the sun wearing expensive suits. Carpenter designed them to look like quote-unquote corrupt versions of us. They wear Rolexes, they drink champagne, they attend gala dinners, they are the ultimate quote-unquote yuppies. And the terrifying part is that they didn't conquer Earth with a Death Star. They just bought it. There is a scene where the human elite attend a banquet to celebrate their alien overlords.

SPEAKER_20 20:06

One human collaborator raises a glass and says, Our projections show that by the year 2025, not only America, but the entire planet will be under the protection and the dominion of this power alliance.

SPEAKER_17 20:19

He isn't being mind controlled, he is just getting paid. This is where the movie stops being a satire and starts looking like a graph from an economics textbook. When They Live was released in 1988, the ratio of CEO pay to the average worker was roughly 58 to 1. That gap felt huge at the time. But looking back from today, that looks like a utopia. Recent data suggests that the ratio is now closer to 344 to 1. The gap between the quote-unquote aliens and the rest of us has widened by nearly 600%. The fictional dystopia of 1988 is statistically better than our actual reality in 2026. The aliens won, and they didn't even have to hide. But despite this clear economic message, there is a dark corner of the internet that has tried to twist the movie's meaning into something hateful, and Carpenter has been fighting them off for years. It is an unfortunate rule of the internet that if you create a piece of art about a hidden elite, someone will try to make it about race. In recent years, They Live has been co-opted by neo-Nazi groups and white supremacists. They claim the film is a secret allegory for a Jewish conspiracy controlling the world. They circulate memes of the aliens with anti-Semitic captions, and John Carpenter absolutely hates it. The director has spent years fighting this interpretation on Twitter. He has been explicitly clear. But the fact that this interpretation exists actually proves the Movie's point. Remember, the aliens survive by keeping humans distracted. They want us fighting amongst ourselves. Blaming a specific race or religion for the world's problems is just another pair of sunglasses. It is a comfortable lie. It is much easier to believe that a specific group of bad people is ruining the world than to accept the harder truth. The truth that the economic system itself is designed to consume us. By turning the movie into a racist conspiracy, these groups are doing exactly what the aliens want. They are ignoring the signal. And sadly, in the original ending of the movie, even the hero doesn't get to see the world change. In a typical 80s action movie, the hero wins. Rambo destroys the army, Maverick gets the girl. They ride off into the sunset, and the status quo is restored. They live ends very differently. Nada destroys the alien transmitter, but he doesn't get a medal. He gets gunned down by police on a rooftop. He dies, branded a terrorist and a lunatic. But before he dies, he gives the aliens one final gesture. He gives them the finger. It is the ultimate act of punk rock rebellion. He knows he won't live to see the world wake up, but he refuses to die polite. He refuses to play by their rules in his final moments. The transmitter explodes, the signal dies, and suddenly everyone on Earth sees the truth. Lovers realize they are holding rotting corpses. News anchors turn into ghouls on live TV. The illusion is shattered. It is a bleak, cynical, and hilarious ending. But it leaves us with one final uncomfortable question. If Carpenter was right about the greed, and right about the apathy, and right about the inequality, how do we break the signal today? In 1988, the signal came from a single satellite dish on a TV station. You could blow it up with a rocket launcher. Today, the signal is decentralized. It is in the algorithm. It is in the notification bell. It is in the black mirror we carry in our pockets every single hour of the day. We don't need aliens to keep us asleep anymore. We are doing a great job of it ourselves. They live wasn't a warning about the future. It was a manual for the present.

Waking People Up Is Brutal

SPEAKER_11 24:26

Yeah, man, that was a crazy movie. I remember watching it sitting in my closet in my grandparents' basement, you know, and had a black and white TV that, you know, you could just walk around. It was like a little like 13-inch or something.

SPEAKER_10 24:41

Yeah, yeah. I remember the small black and white.

SPEAKER_11 24:43

Yeah, it had to put the antenna up. Right. And it was like we didn't have cable yet. So it was we just moved there. So I went in and sitting there watching that movie in black and white in the closet. I was like, dude, this is a cool movie, man.

SPEAKER_10 24:55

It was well, I mean it was an epic movie for I mean, especially for me, because I was back then a wrestling fan. And I mean Rowdy Rowdy Piper. I mean, that was just the for me and for you know a couple of my friends because we were just I mean back then it was a W Ruby. You know, I mean, dude, it and and that's what was the the the attention drawer, and then it was just the the craziness of that fight scene was insanely drawn out, dude.

SPEAKER_11 25:23

When I was a kid, I was just like, bro, when is this gonna be? When is he gonna actually get the glasses on him, dude? Right. And it makes sense when he describes it, like exactly why you put it in the movie, because it's exactly how it is trying to get people to understand reality sometimes. You know, and I've thought I've seen stuff that is like, you know what, stop trying to wake people up. Because that's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_10 25:50

And it's kind of that's and that's the total and that's why, you know, that's why people are viable. They don't want to listen they're they're happy in their in the world when you're just uh you know, I was kinda actually thinking about that. I was like, you know, selling out. I don't know if it's selling out or just not wanting to know because you're happy in the in the realm that you're in.

SPEAKER_11 26:12

Well the matrix is like that too, or that that one was Cyrus or Cypher or whatever the name was. He sold them all out because he didn't he wanted to be like cool with what are you doing, you know, like he was happy. I don't want to go back. I just want to stay here and eat this steak that I know isn't real. Right. I guess you know, I mean cool. Some people are, you know, I want a real steak, man. I know sucker.

SPEAKER_10 26:40

Right.

SPEAKER_13 26:42

It's springtime. So check it out. I say it, it's spring time. So check it out. You think I'm playing? Watch this.

Erica Kirk Allegations And Epstein Links

SPEAKER_07 28:02

I mean, I don't really work for him like that. I think for you all for him and they work for him. So you're gonna talk to him about it.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

That's okay. When you work for him, I'll bring you a look what you work for like what can I make more money? And her strange connections with modeling agencies. Let's not forget, we're all digging into the Jeffrey Epstein files. Jeffrey Epstein has a strong connection with a bunch of modeling agencies. So you may be wondering, how is Erica Kirk tied into all of this?

SPEAKER_12 28:27

Former Miss USA winners don't usually come forward accusing pageant insiders of running escort operations. But that's exactly what's happening after a former Miss USA contestant claimed that behind the glamorous gowns, photo ops, and charity speeches, some pageants were allegedly being used to recruit women for private sport arrangements. And according to her, Erica Kirk was the one organizing it. What's worse? There's now footage that's been circulating of someone sounding like Erica organizing Uprage Girls for Epstein. And as y'all know, Erica has been tied to multiple traffic scandals, with many of them being linked directly to Epstein and underground Romanian traffic channels. And the former Miss USA who's speaking out didn't just drop vague accusations either. She claimed she watched how certain girls were approached backstage, how private after parties were arranged, and how Erica's name kept coming up whenever the money and travel offers were involved. But the moment she started explaining how the recruiting allegedly worked backstage, it got a lot darker.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

We allegedly have Erica Kirk on Wiretab Audio, supposedly scheduling underage girls from Jeffrey Epstein. There is a leaked Department of Justice Wiretab Audio.

SPEAKER_12 29:28

Before this former Miss USA started naming names, something else happened that pushed Erica Kirk back into the spotlight. A wave of old audition tapes from Erica's early pageant and reality TV days suddenly started resurfacing online. And once people started watching them back, with everything that's being alleged now, the clip started hitting very differently.

SPEAKER_05 29:45

I've been to Romania and teamed up with the Marine Corps to open up and sustain an orphanage with 75 beautiful children. So, and that's called Romanian Angels through my nonprofit everyday heroes like you.

SPEAKER_12 29:57

But the clip that people kept replaying is this one where Erica is auditioning for House of DVF, the fashion reality competition created by legendary designer Diane von Furstenberg. And the way Erica presents herself in that audition caught people's attention immediately. She openly admits she never went to fashion school. She even says she doesn't really know how to sew. Instead of trying to pretend she's some experienced fashion insider, Erica leans into something else completely. She says she's extremely trainable and adaptable. Basically, the type of person who can be molded into whatever role someone needs.

SPEAKER_06 30:27

Just career-wise to be able to take on this type of endeavor. And I feel like I have something very unique to offer, this whole experience in general. I like I said, I'm very coachable, I'm very trainable.

SPEAKER_12 30:38

Then she drops a line that viewers online immediately zoomed in on. Erica says she's the type of person who can pack her bags and jump on a plane within 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_06 30:46

And I'm the type of person that I don't need all the time in the world to get ready. And if you say you're gonna be on a plane in a half hour and you have to pack your stuff and go, I'm on it. I'm kind of like a gypsy. I don't mind. I don't mind living out of a suitcase. I'm used to it, and that's something that I'm okay with. So um traveling, I love it.

SPEAKER_12 31:03

At the time, it probably sounded like she was just trying to show producers she was flexible and ready for opportunities. But watching that clip back now, people started tying it to something else entirely. Because the kind of flexibility Erica was trying to sell is exactly what people who work in these export businesses need. On top of that, Diane von Furstenberg has long been connected to extremely elite social circles that overlap with powerful political, business, and celebrity networks. And more importantly, her son, Alexander von Furstenberg, appears inside Jeffrey Epstein's infamous Little Black Book. Even more uncomfortable, photographs from the mid-2000s show Ghislaine Maxwell attending DVF fashion events during the exact years Epstein's social network was operating in elite spaces like Manhattan and Palm Beach. So when people started replaying Erica's audition and hearing her casually talk about being ready to jump on a plane at a moment's notice, it suddenly didn't sound like a normal reality TV pitch anymore. So once Erica finally broke into those pageant and modeling spaces, people now believe that's when everything allegedly started taking shape. And recently, Candace Owens tried to connect those dots in a way that pushed this entire story into a much darker direction. In a post on X, Candace claimed that more people had come forward about Erica's activities inside the modeling world. She specifically referenced Erica's connection to next model management, writing, more people have come forward regarding what specifically Erica Kirk was doing at Next Model Management in Jeffrey Epstein's Orbit in New York. I now hold the position that it is utterly immoral to defend Erica Kirk. These are questions that demand answers. Candace didn't just drop that line on social media and move on. She expanded on the theory in a recent episode of her investigative series about Erica called Bride of Charlie. In that episode, Candace started digging into Erica's links to Next Model Management, a major modeling agency that was co-founded by Jeffrey Epstein's close associate, Faith Cates.

SPEAKER_19 32:50

Well, what we can now confirm, and these are eyewitness accounts specifically, uh, that they recall Erica because she was taking meetings at the office, and those office were pertaining to real estate. Real estate for the models that were coming from Eastern Europe, who were being packed like sardines into apartment buildings.

SPEAKER_12 33:15

Now, according to Candace, that connection could potentially explain how Erica allegedly gained access to a steady stream of young models and pageant contestants, the exact type of women wealthy clients were known to request in elite social circles. But here's what makes that worse. People now believe that Erica's time abroad, specifically her time in Romania, is when her court operation started. And that's where another strange detail starts popping up. The Epstein files contain hundreds of references to Romania, including mentions of young girls being brought from there. Then newly unsealed documents from lawsuits connected to Epstein revealed something else entirely. Financial records tied to Epstein's foundation show that a $30,000 payment was sent to a Romanian bank account through a foundation associated with Epstein himself. Now there's no direct evidence linking that specific payment to Erica, but when you consider the rumors that Erica allegedly had to close the orphanage because Romanian authorities caught on to the absurdly high number of children that went missing via the orphanage, it starts to look a lot scarier. But then the story took a turn that pushed these accusations into an entirely different level of controversy. Recently, a leaked audio recording started circulating online that pulled Erica's name into the conversation again. The recording is allegedly a taped phone call involving an Epstein survivor speaking with a known recruiter connected to Jeffrey Epstein. In the recording, you can hear a young girl speaking on the phone while federal agents coach her before and after the call. The girl is clearly acting as an informant, trying to get the person on the other end to explain how the arrangement works. And the conversation itself is disturbing. At one point, the person on the phone tells the girl that the more encounters she agrees to, the more money she'll receive. The person also explains that she's responsible for putting together the girl's schedule.

SPEAKER_07 34:48

I mean, I don't really work for him like that. I just bring girls for him and they work for him. So you're gonna talk to him about it. That's okay. When you work for him, I'll bring you asking what you work, so like, what can I do make more money?

SPEAKER_12 35:07

Then the call gets even darker. The informant mentions that she could bring her sister along so the person arranging the meetings could earn even more money.

SPEAKER_07 35:18

Well, a girl. Yeah, well, well, that's what I'm saying. I'm working tomorrow, and me and him are gonna put a schedule together for you and your sister. So I'll call you tomorrow when I leave Jeffrey with a schedule.

SPEAKER_12 35:28

And now some people online have started claiming that the voice on the recording sounds exactly like Erica Kirk, and it's the smoking gun that captures Erica arranging girls for Epstein's operation. Now, investigators and reporters who have examined the recording have long said the voice actually belongs to Haley Robson, a recruiter who was already identified years ago. But even with that clarification, the speculation about it being undeniably Erica still hasn't fully died down. Because once all of these clips, allegations, and theories started circulating at the same time, the backlash toward Erica exploded almost overnight. People who had supported Erica publicly for years started pulling back, and the comment sections under videos discussing the situation turned brutal almost instantly. One person wrote, I'm so disgusted at this point. I would like a statement from Turning Point USA and Erica Kirk. Another comment that went viral showed just how convinced some viewers had become after hearing the leaked recording. This is crazy. Even if you hadn't mentioned her name, I would have heard this and immediately said, That's Erica Kirk. There is no denying this. Reactions like that started piling up across YouTube, X, and Reddit threads. And in Erica's case, the reaction kept growing instead of cooling down, because every time someone tried to defend her, another clip, another screenshot, or another old connection would resurface and start the debate all over again. So even people who initially pushed back against the accusations found themselves struggling to explain why so many things didn't add up. Now, the one argument people keep using to dismiss the audio theory is the timeline. Erica's supporters keep insisting that she couldn't possibly be the person on that recording tied to Jeffrey Epstein's network because she would have been too young at the time. The problem is, when people started looking at the timeline more closely, that explanation didn't really hold up because Erica would have been about 17 years old during that period. And as you guys probably know, that's the exact same age when she and her mother reportedly started the Romanian Angels Orphanage Project, after which Erica entered the pageant world full force. Add that to the fact that Candace Owens exposed Erica for lying about her age, and the timeline starts looking very neat. Erica could have been 20 at the time of that recording, for all anyone knows. And get this. Just a few years later, another disturbing situation surfaced. Leaked text messages allegedly showed Erica at 25 sending suggestive messages to a 50-year-old girl named Gillian. In those texts, she complimented the girl's eyes, lips, and skin. Messages that eventually crossed in territory.

SPEAKER_11 38:02

Oh, this is connected to that dot, and that dot's connected to this dot.

SPEAKER_10 38:06

Right. And it it's so deep. I'm just like, you know, my thing is like, you know, at first you just like look at it and be like, oh man, it it's so terrible of w what she's gone through, you know, and what the that organization is fought for, and you know, then you just start with that.

SPEAKER_11 38:22

Well they had a I mean I don't know if Charlie Kirk was alive, like some people believe, but at the same time, like that whole thing looked wrong. The whole thing looked bad. But they they jerked at my heartstrings, man. I thought somebody got straight up murdered like that, and it was just like terrible for his wife. And when Candace started bringing up stuff against her, it's like I don't necessarily just dismiss stuff that Candace Owens Owens says. Whether I like it or not, uh I just don't automatically dismiss it. And it kind of blew up. And now we're here where we find out Ollie's been lying about her age. Nobody knows how old she was. She could have been the one making the phone call. Maybe she wasn't. It sure as hell sounds like uh Erica Kirk to me. And for those that were listening to this podcast, you know, they put little pictures of the posts up there. And one of them said, If I was listening to this without watching the video, I would straight up think that it was Erica Kirk. Because it does. Even their like mannerisms and the way she says things sounds exactly like her. You know what it told me? Go ahead.

SPEAKER_10 39:34

I'm sorry, I I didn't mean but you know it. Just because you'll throw this in, but uh it makes me think of that. The the movie uh w with Sharon Stone in Total Recall when she's the wife. She is the the plant. You know, she was the plant that kind of made things go along and kept track of, you know, well of Charlie Kirk and made sure that he did right. And it just like dude like that.

SPEAKER_11 39:56

Well, and even in 1984 it was the same thing. Right. He was all falling in love with her, and she was acting like she's on the same team.

SPEAKER_10 40:05

Dude, that I mean that tricked me out too, and I'm just like it's just so that a freaking road. I i it just blows my mind that you know we always go back to it and be like, oh, you know, it's just part of the movies and stuff, but some of this is just real.

SPEAKER_11 40:20

This is coming from real stuff, and it's just not most of it's like some story that's actually just being rewritten from like ancient times, like some crap that happened in Rome. Anyway, we're gonna take a quick break, and when we come back, we'll talk about conjuring some UFOs.

Conjuring UFOs And CE5 Claims

SPEAKER_03 41:47

Come show show yourself to me, and give it enough time with enough intention, apparently things will appear in the sky.

SPEAKER_08 41:55

My favorite one is the the black guy talking about Yahweh, who where the the local ABC newscaster goes out and it's gonna be one of those, ha ha, this guy thinks that he can conjure UFOs. And they go out with him and he conjures an orb. Do you ever see that one? No. That's like an incredible, that's like one of my favorite of those videos. And the newscaster's like, uh, he calls literally they see him calling his, I think it's like an NBC affiliate or an ABC affiliate somewhere. Jamie can probably find it. Um but if it's uh he literally calls his boss, the newscaster's like, oh, uh, the story's turned out a little differently than I thought. Um it's like one of my favorites. I'm sure you could say, oh, it's a balloon or whatever, but like comes in and out. I mean, it's really and it comes right as he's calling it.

SPEAKER_21 42:35

Before we continue, I wanted to lay the foundation for this topic. If you are one of the UFO community mainstays, then you will know this well. Dr. Steven Greer coined the term close encounters of the fifth kind. It's a protocol that involves group meditation, coherent thought, and benevolent intention to initiate contact with non-human intelligence. He's held countless in-person multi-day events at UFO hotspots that involved daytime training and nighttime sky watching and contact attempts. Even celebrities have gone to these events, most notably singer Demi Lovato and Khloe Kardashian.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

That's the weird thing, is I've talked to multiple people that have actually done this. Oh, people it's that have gone with these, you know, air quotes experts. And they you go out to some deserted area and you call these things.

SPEAKER_08 43:24

There's a second guy, white guy, that also does it, and Reuters did a whole story on him, because apparently there's a whole bunch of people around that they saw it. And of course, Jake Barber, who's this former, you know, uh contractor, helicopter pilot, contractor for special forces, announced that he was gonna go and uh conjure UFOs and bring one down.

SPEAKER_21 43:44

Slight correction Jake Barber was an airman in the US Air Force who worked as an aerospace mechanic in the late 1990s. He later went on to work in a non official capacity for the Defense Department and the intelligence community, so he might already be compromised. But he does have some interesting things to Say on the topic. Let's watch some of it. You know for a fact there are aliens.

SPEAKER_24 44:05

Yes, 100%. There are alien craft? 100%. Have you been involved in the recovery of those alien craft? Well, Ross, yes, I have.

SPEAKER_25 44:15

You could tell that it was extraordinary and anomalous. It was it was not human. I saw an egg, a white egg. As I came over this object, there was this overwhelming sense of emotion. I feel a sense of my mother. This intense hybrid of sadness and happiness and beauty. I felt like something connected with me. And it was so overwhelming that I began to cry. I felt like something was inside of me. I felt like I was possessed by the most.

SPEAKER_09 44:50

We met up with Prophet Yahweh, seer of Yahweh at Doolittle Park off Lake Mead. We picked the day, we picked the time, and we picked the location. Everyone's gonna think you're absolutely nuts. Well, I thought I was absolutely nuts. Until he says he saw UFOs. Over the years, 1,500 of them. He says the voice in his head told him to go public now, so we took him up on his offer and we scanned the skies. Nothing but a few clouds. When the prophet started praying for a sighting, I wasn't exactly convinced.

SPEAKER_04 45:24

I pray, oh Yahweh, that you sent a sighting. So that they know that I am not mentally ill. I am not a false prophet. Like those who seek to kill me say I am. Uh oh.

SPEAKER_09 45:39

You can barely see it, a white speck. Then another sighting. There it is, I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it. Photojournalist Jonathan Hawkins locks in on it.

SPEAKER_21 45:49

Man, you have to admit, if that's a balloon or something explainable, the timing is mind-blowing. Or that's a damn UFO or orb. Both things are pretty crazy to think about.

SPEAKER_09 45:57

Let's take a closer look here. It's an orange sphere that appeared out of nowhere. I called a boss with an unexpected change in my story. I can see it clear as day. In fact, it's bright. I can't believe it. It's it's moving pretty fast. It's gone to Nellis Air Force Base. It wants to be seen. We called Nellis to see what these things might be. Guess what? They didn't call us back. But this thing started coming back toward us. It's coming toward us now, I think. What? See, it's coming up toward us.

SPEAKER_04 46:28

Oh man! Oh, hallelujah! A few seconds later, it disappeared.

SPEAKER_09 46:35

It's gone back up in space. Prophet Yahweh isn't concerned. He says, it'll be back.

SPEAKER_03 46:42

I would take this more seriously if that guy didn't have your reporter voice.

SPEAKER_08 46:46

It's amazing. This is part of the charm of it. I think it's um I love it because I don't I don't think you can I don't think it's gonna convince any skeptics.

SPEAKER_21 46:55

Well, that was in 2005. These days probably not, but if I saw that back then, it would have probably won me over. If you're wondering where Prophet Yahweh is now, he sadly passed away from a heart attack in his sleep in August 2014. At the time he had reportedly just received pilot funding for a potential seven-show series with the BBC, which is kind of fitting if you know what I mean. Type rest in peace, Yahweh, to pay your respects.

SPEAKER_08 47:19

But it's like one of the few things in our in our world where it inspires a set of like wonder and a set of awe. And you know, for those of us that struggle with our faiths, um it's inspiring because it is sort of a spiritual like I mean, he he calls himself Yahweh, right? So there's like there'sn't about like gray aliens or whatever, it was just something else. And that's what I mean about like why more valet, his work explains all of this much better um and uh than the sort of the extraterrestrial hypothesis did, and he's had that since '68.

SPEAKER_21 47:49

Well, I think what he does best is not explain it. Joe and Michael are referring to Jacques Valet. He came on the show about a year ago, episode 2288. Vallée was one of the first trained scientists with degrees in astrophysics and a PhD in computer science to take UFO reports seriously and advocate for rigorous, data-driven investigation rather than dismissal. He worked as an astronomer, helped create the first computerized map of Mars for NASA in 1963, and contributed to early internet precursors like ARPANET at SRI International, which is a pretty crazy story in itself that involved remote viewing. He talks about it on that episode.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_08 48:30

He calls it a control system, though.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 48:32

Which is sort of like I asked Diana, I was like, is that how is that different from God? Um because he's sort of a control system that is his his view is that there's a control system that's evolving human consciousness and it will manifest different things or in that in relation with the humans over time. And so he looks at the you know the apparition the Maria um or St.

SPEAKER_21 48:54

Mary apparitions in Spain and let me give you a little more on this because it's a pretty cool story. It's considered one of the most historically significant supernatural experiences in Christian history. At around 40 AD in Zaragoza, Spain, the Virgin Mary, who was still alive in Jerusalem, bilocated and appeared to Apostle James by the Ebro River. Standing on a Jasper pillar carried by angels, she consoled him amid his missionary struggles and instructed him to build a church there. This site became the famous Basilica of Our Lady of the Pillar.

SPEAKER_08 49:24

The airships of the late 19th century, where people saw these things that looked like Zeppelins, even though they hadn't been invented yet.

SPEAKER_21 49:31

This is a pretty interesting story as well. From 1896 to 1897, there was a major wave of mysterious airship sightings across the United States before powered flight existed. Thousands reported cigar-shaped, oblong or egg-like craft, often with propellers, wings, searchlights, and suspended carriages, moving at high speeds, hovering, or changing direction intelligently at night. Sightings began in California and spread eastward through the Midwest and peaking in spring 1897. Witnesses sometimes heard voices or saw human-like occupants. This kind of makes me think that it could have been a first-gen government back engineering program. Like those were the first generation of the Tic Tac that we see in UFO lore today.

SPEAKER_08 50:12

All of these things he says, his view is they're sort of being sort of produced in some relationship as well with our culture. That's Vale's argument. And that sounds a lot like God in some ways when you say control system. Right. What does that mean?

SPEAKER_03 50:25

Like, is it uh a higher life form that is monitoring us? Like that that's the the the secular version of religion for a lot of these people that are really interested in aliens. Like that there's some advanced being that's making sure we don't fuck everything up completely.

SPEAKER_21 50:41

Aaron Powell Joe is definitely talking about himself here. Every time the subject comes up, he brings up this theory. If you're a real JRE fan, you would agree.

SPEAKER_08 50:48

Aaron Powell Certainly for me, that's my interest. I mean, I um William James is this famous Harvard psychologist who wrote a book about the varieties of the religious experience in 1902. And he says everybody wants to kind of be like, is it real or not real? Is like this world just what we see? And he says, I think there's something more. There's not so this this very, you know, skeptic or debunker thing, which is like, oh no, it's just gotta be a that thing's gotta be a bird, or it's a b- and it's like, well, but it really you haven't ex just calling it that. And as they point out, it's like they showed up when they wanted to. I mean, it's a pretty amazing if it's just a coincidence, it's a really amazing one. And so I think for me, it's like, because I am a Christian, and it is hard to believe in an in an all-powerful and all-good God, because he obviously allowed the Holocaust to occur and allows terrible things to occur.

SPEAKER_21 51:36

Michael is bringing up the most philosophical and theological challenge to belief in God that most Christians struggle with. It's referred to as the problem of evil. Here's how Bible historian Wesley Huff responds to the question.

SPEAKER_02 51:48

I could give a tidy answer about uh, you know, if you're positing that something is good, you're positing that there's an objective good and evil, and if there's an objective good and evil, then you're positing an objective law, and a objective law needs an objective lawgiver. So, where do we find the groundwork for an objective lawgiver to begin with? Otherwise, you may not like certain things, but to say they ought not to happen is actually an ethical leap to an objective reality that you may or may not have groundwork for. But if that person is struggling because a family member of theirs has cancer, then that particular, maybe tidy, you know, tied up in a nice bow answer is not going to speak to them whatsoever.

SPEAKER_08 52:29

But I love that that segment, and there's I love there's another one I love right now. It's like a British woman in the 50s doing an interview about seeing a what she calls a Mexican hat UFO over her house. And the kids saw it, and she and everybody in the village made fun of her and they ridiculed her, and she's like, but it's you know, but it's I saw it and it was real, and it was like, it's like those are like our those are spiritual uh experiences, I think.

SPEAKER_21 52:53

Michael is referring to the incident on October 21st, 1954, in Ranton, Staffordshire, UK. Mrs. Jesse Rostenberg with her two young sons saw a metallic disc-shaped UFO described as a Mexican hat-like saucer that hovered silently above their cottage. Through a transparent dome, she observed two tall, human-like Nordic beings with long blonde hair staring down at them. The craft tilted, then departed without sound. It remains one of the UK's most famous close encounters of the third kind.

SPEAKER_08 53:23

Sometimes people get really mad at UFO believers, like skeptics get really like angry, like how do they know, whatever, they get so mad, and I'm always like, but like how often do you see them causing real harm or problems? I mean, we had one cult where they, you know, like a few people killed themselves, but for the most part, their balls off first.

SPEAKER_21 53:39

Yeah, agree. So you would think Joe is just kidding, but he's not. He's referring to the Heaven's Gate cult. They, including leader Marshall Applewhite, voluntarily underwent castration in the mid-1990s. They viewed human bodies as temporary containers to be transcended for ascension to a higher, genderless, extraterrestrial existence.

SPEAKER_08 53:58

Aaron Powell This idea that oh we know everything and we know where the I mean we don't know anything.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

That's hubris. It's just crazy. But that the those people are silly. They're more silly than the believers. Because the this this idea that, like, look. If there is a if you have a completely novel experience, like say if you are Commander David Fraver and you encounter this Tic-Tac-shaped object that's hovering over something that appears to be a ship that's under the water, this thing takes off at a absolutely preposterous speed that is documented both in radar and visually and on camera, right? So they've got video of this thing moving. They say that it went from above 50,000 feet above sea level to sea level in less than a second, which would require more energy than the entire United States produces in a year in order to get an object to move that quickly. And it does that with no heat signature.

SPEAKER_21 54:53

Most of you have probably seen it, but for old time's sake, let's watch one of the most famous cases in UAP disclosure talk.

SPEAKER_10 55:24

I mean, conjuring a freaking orb or something.

SPEAKER_11 55:27

I mean, his name's Yahweh.

SPEAKER_10 55:30

Right?

SPEAKER_11 55:30

I mean that's what people call God. Well, that was God's original name was Yahweh. Yahweh. So what's crazy is that you know, he he was going out there to try to make fun of him, and then when he got there, he's like, Oh crap, I'm gonna call my boss. Dude, you set me up with the wrong guy. I thought this guy was a joke. We're supposed to make fun of him.

SPEAKER_10 55:53

And I'm just trying to sit here and think of like, you know, what it could be or why, you know, is it just coincidence? Or just like I mean, that many times for it to happen. Seriously. Uh, and then for the the you know, the cameraman to come out there with the reporter and just be like, bam, there it is, and it's moving. And I I know that they said that the you know, what he said it was moving to uh whatever Air Force Base and something like that. And I'm that's what kind of gets my mind rolling is something to do with it. But it's a weird one. Yeah. And then, you know, coincidentally he dies of a heart attack in his sleep. You know, I mean okay.

SPEAKER_11 56:31

Everybody dies in their sleeper with a heart attack attack when they know or uh have the ability or or invent something. Right. That's what happened. It's kind of crazy. Heart accident, heart attacks.

SPEAKER_10 56:46

Me and Justin, I was just telling Justin that I I I just saw something recently that the CIA did just finally admit that they created a heart attack gun.

SPEAKER_11 56:54

Perfect.

SPEAKER_10 56:55

Right.

SPEAKER_11 56:55

So I mean, hey, what is that when they need to open up the book and reinvestigate all these heart attacks, sudden heart

A Blue Orb Caught On Camera

SPEAKER_11 57:04

attacks 25-year-old people?

SPEAKER_10 57:06

Right. I mean, well yeah, well, we we we just saw the uh G.I. Joe effect down in, you know, uh Venezuela. So I mean it is it's not nothing surprising. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 57:16

So I mean, but uh Well, and the thing about this conjuring UFOs video that we just watched, it's like I had recently recorded something in my own backyard. I was walking my dog, and you know, I always have to watch him like a hawk because he's a goat. He tries to eat everything. It's like I don't want him to end up on my floor later. So anyway, so I always just like I'm sitting there watching him, got my eyes on you, man. And then suddenly I just looked right up and when I looked up, I saw this and this thing was flying over my house, like not over my house particularly, but it was literally right up in the sky looking towards the north, and what was crazy about it was that it it has like a blue tint.

SPEAKER_10 58:10

You know, it's like it's it's definitely different. I and I was like, yeah, it's something, man. I mean, I don't can't say what it is, whatever, you know, but uh it it it's definitely something and uh Well and like it flashes.

SPEAKER_11 58:24

You know, like it actually makes a flicker right you know what that's what's w what we zoomed in on this thing real close too, and it does look a lot like the orb that Yahweh was able to summon. It's the same shape, but it's a blue tint. And so I was starting to think, because it was during that planetary parade that we had a couple weeks ago or a few weeks ago, whatever it was, um that maybe I was able to see like a Saturn or something, Jupiter or something in the daytime. Without binoculars, which is it's odd. And you know, it looks like it's moving, but the the clouds are are moving too, so I can't tell for sure. You know, it's just it's weird.

SPEAKER_10 59:16

It's uh it's a definitely uh interesting in like when you first showed it to me, I was like, what the frick is it?

SPEAKER_11 59:23

Seriously.

SPEAKER_10 59:23

I mean it and it could be like how you were saying, it could be one of the planets because we did have that planetary lineup. See how it flickers there? Right? But is that just is it from your your maybe your phone glitching or is that actual you know it's a little bit more than a little bit?

SPEAKER_11 59:40

I would link to get my phone glitching, the whole thing would glitch.

SPEAKER_10 59:43

I don't know. Either way, it's still kind of cool to be able to capture that.

SPEAKER_11 59:46

I mean, just from and how it just drew my attention freaky because that's what that's what hit me the f the first thing was that I didn't just like look at my dog and then look up and then look around like, oh I was like instantly just went and looked right at it and was like that's fine. And then it was there long enough for me to pull my phone out and record it. And sometimes I see things and I'm like meh that was recorded, but it's too late. You know what I mean? This was kind of the same thing. I saw it and I was like, meh. Maybe I should just watch it and then I was like, well, that's still there. So just record it real quick and I don't know. It's a trip though, because it does look a lot like the same thing.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:32

It's interesting, for sure. I mean you got something up in the sky that probably like it's obviously not a star because you only see those in the right.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:40

Right. Well, and a a few uh well, I guess it was a couple years ago, um there was a b a balloon flying in kind of the same area. Um and it was on the news. They were talking about it. They're like, you can go out right now and look up in the sky in the north, and it's up there.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:59

No, it wasn't that one.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:01

But it was literally a like a a test balloon that they flew up out of New Mexico and they were flying it along the thirty-seventh parallel, which is like longitude and latitude. So this is the thirty-seventh parallel, and they were flying it through that doing some kind of study. Um, and then I see this in the same general direction, so it's almost like wondering if it's maybe something it's weird, you know, sent up from a a test site or it could be a UFO.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:33

It almost looks like it has kind of rings around it, but I don't know. That could be just my own. That's what I thought too. I thought maybe it was Saturn, but it I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:40

I but it's a cool I mean tell us what you guys think in the comments. Let us know. Because I mean, maybe somebody else saw something too.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:47

Yeah. Comment it. Let us know. That that way uh you know, because we'd like to see it. I mean, you know, we've all seen some crazy and tripped out stuff out there, and I'm sure that you know y'all have some crazy videos. So send it to our comments, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:02

Yep.

Demon House Story From Police Reports

SPEAKER_11 1:02:03

So next we got uh Mr. Bollin telling a scary story about a house that was possessed.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:09

Love this guy. Thank you, Mr. Bollin.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:12

He always finds the good ones. This one's you can leave some for us, bro. You know, right? We wouldn't mind telling these cool stories first.

SPEAKER_18 1:03:44

Now, if you were to walk past this house on the street, it wouldn't stand out to you. It's a very modest, single-story, three-bedroom home, looks like all the other houses around it, but the history behind this house is totally bizarre. Latoya Ammons, who was a mother of three that lived inside of this house with her three kids, she began to report to the police that demons were throwing her children against the wall. Now, when police got the report that children are being thrown against the wall, their first thought is, you're an unfit parent. And so they sent child protective services and the police to go check out this residence and make sure that she really was a competent parent. They are shocked at what they find. And what they find is documented in a police report. And courtesy of the executive producer of 317 films, Christopher Geisot, I have a copy of said police report. And when I read through this thing for the first time, I literally wrote him an email and said, This is fake. There's no way this is an actual police report. And he said, No, that's real. It's from the Lake County Sheriff's Department. It is the official police report, and it's just it's mind-blowing. Today I'm gonna tell the story of what happened when the police got involved, and I'm just going to use information that was in the police report. After numerous reports that Latoya Ammons was mistreating her children, based on reports that she gave, she was telling police that demons were throwing her kids around the house. Based on those reports, Child Protective Services was sent to do a home study. To go to their house, go to LaToya Ammons' house, and make sure it was a safe, clean place for children to be living. In addition to the case manager, her name was Valerie Washington, who was going to be going over to do this home study, the Lake County Sheriff Department also sent over Lieutenant Gruska, who would be assisting Valerie and watching the home study take place. When Gruska arrives at the house, he is met with Valerie Washington, also Latoya Amons, the mother, and her. Two sons, Andrew, who's nine, and Amante, who's seven, as well as LaToya's mother. So the boy's grandmother. Her name was Rosa. Washington, the case manager, pulls Gruska aside out of earshot of LaToya and her family, and she starts telling Gruska about what happened at the hospital eight days earlier because she, the case manager, had already begun investigating LaToya Ammons and that whole situation with her kids. Eight days earlier, Washington was at the hospital sitting in a waiting room. Washington was with a psychologist and they were speaking to Rosa, who was the grandmother of these children. In the room was also Andrew, the oldest son, and Amante, the youngest son. And as they're chatting, Amante, the youngest son, stands up and walks to the middle of the waiting room. And his eyes roll back into his skull, and he begins emitting this growling sound that sounded too deep for a boy of seven years old. The grandmother reacted to it like she had seen it before. She got right up, she marched over to him and she took him by the hands and she yelled, You are not you. And she kept saying that, and the boy's eyes are still back in his head, and he's not responding to anything his grandmother's saying. As Rosa is repeating over and over again, you are not you, Amante begins backpedaling towards the wall behind him. And Rosa holds his hands the whole time. She's holding his hands firmly. He gets to the wall, and instead of stopping, he puts his foot up against the wall. This is a seven-year-old boy and begins walking up the wall by pressing against Rosa. And she's holding on tight, and he's pressing back at her and using that weight to walk backwards up the wall. The psychologist and Washington are just watching in disbelief. Rosa's holding on to him as he walks all the way up to where he's on his tippy toes on the wall. And then he flips forward in front of her and lands on his feet on the other side of Rosa. The psychologist and Washington literally run out of the room and they go get a doctor and they explain what happened. The doctor comes in, not having any clue what to make of this and just says to the boy, Can you do that again? And Amante at this point, his eyes are back to normal and he's sitting now next to Rosa. And he says, What? I didn't do anything, and acted like he had not been walking up the walls. Now, it's not in the report how Lieutenant Gruska responds to Washington's story about the hospital. However, the entire police report that I'm pulling all this information from is written by Lieutenant Gruska at the end of the investigation. So this exchange between he and the case manager, Washington, about the hospital visit that he was not part of, it apparently carried weight in the entire investigation that he felt compelled to add it into the report. Even though on paper you would think if you're doing a home study for this house, why would you incorporate something that didn't have anything to do with the house? It gives you maybe an insight into Lieutenant Gruska, although his language remains super professional and very pragmatic, that perhaps Lieutenant Gruska at the end of this investigation was starting to think this might be paranormal. After this story, two more police officers show up to the house to assist with this home study. One was Brian Miller and the other was Charles Austin. At this point, the three officers, Gruska, Miller, and Austin, along with the case manager, Washington, begin walking towards the family and towards the front door of the house. Latoya says that she and her kids will not go back in the house because they had moved out very recently because of the strangeness that they claim was happening inside of the house. They felt like they were under attack by demons. And so the police, they needed someone to bring them in. And so Rosa, the grandmother, LaToya's mother, she offered to go in with them. So the house is a single-story, three-bedroom house. You walk in and you're inside of the screened-in porch. You go into the main level, there's a few bedrooms, and then there's a stairwell that leads down into the basement. And so they go in, and Lieutenant Gruska is in charge of taking pictures and recording audio the whole time they're in the house. They were not aware that they had already moved out. So it's a bit of an awkward home study because they're not even living there anymore. But either way, they're gonna do their job. They're walking around, taking pictures of each of the bedrooms. There's three bedrooms, there's a kitchen, basic stuff upstairs, and then they go downstairs to the basement. Now, the basement was where Latoya and her family claimed the majority of the paranormal activity was taking place. The steps leading down to the basement were wood. They went down into the basement. The basement floor was concrete and the walls were concrete blocks. As they go down, Lieutenant Gruska would notice that there were candles that had been placed all over the basement floor that had burned down to their wick. There was also an altar and a nativity scene that had been placed near the underside of the stairs. And so when Grzka goes over to take pictures of the altar and the nativity scene, he recognizes that under the stairs, near where those two things are placed, it's all dirt. The concrete that made up the floor of the basement had been broken away, and there was jagged pieces of concrete where there should have been a continuous flow of concrete underneath the steps. It had been snapped up and broken away. It was gone. When Rosa was questioned about the strangeness of the basement with all the candles and the altar, she just said that there's a presence down here, and that's all she was able to articulate. The other officers and the case manager and Rosa, they go back upstairs. And Lieutenant Gruska and Charles Austin, the other officer, they stay in the basement and take a few extra pictures, a couple more underneath the stairs, and just up the candles before they ultimately go upstairs as well. When Gruska comes upstairs, Rosa's waiting for him, and she's about to turn the light off leading down into the basement. And she asks him, Did you get any pictures underneath the stairs? And he said, Yeah, yeah, I did. I stayed down there and I took some more pictures. She looks at him and she says, Sometimes at night when we're sleeping on the main floor, we'll hear commotion in the basement. It sounds like maybe someone bumping on the underside of the stairs. And then you hear footsteps walking up the wood steps. And whatever it is stops on the other side of the door leading into the main floor, and it will stay there for hours. We're too scared to open the door to look. Gruska goes back to his office and he immediately uploads the pictures that he took with a focus on the ones he took in the basement. And he finds that there is a couple pictures he took under the stairs. That in the right hand corner of the picture, just behind one of the steps, it's partially obscured, is a white mist or a white cloud. And he zooms in on it and he brings in other officers and they look at it. And if you zoom in close enough, it looks like a man's face. As they're zoomed in on this mist underneath the stairs, they can see only because they've zoomed in that there appears to be a faint green mist on the left side of the picture. Appears to be a woman's face. Gruska and Austin, who were the only two in the basement at the time of these pictures taken, swear they did not see a white or green mist under the stairs when they took pictures. Gruska, again, it doesn't say in the report how he's feeling, but you can imagine he's starting to feel a little bit uneasy about what he's witnessing. Gruska just goes to his audio recording. And so he fast forwards to the section where he and Austin are alone in the basement taking these additional photos. And you can clearly hear on the recording Gruska and Austin talking to each other as they're taking these pictures. And at some point, as they're taking these pictures of the basement, a third voice, not Austin, not Gruska, say directly into the audio recorder, Hey! The audio recorder was one that Gruska was used to using, and it had never malfunctioned before. And he and Austin were the only ones down there. And so they couldn't explain where the third voice was coming from, and neither could any of the other officers who listened to it. On April 30th, Gruska set up a meeting with Latoya Amons' priest, who she was very close with. They were regular churchgoers. This priest, his name was Father Maginot, he had been at the Amons residence five days before this home visit was done when Latoya Ammons and her family was still living in that residence. And so Gruska went to interview him to get a sense of what it was like when they were still living there. Father Magineau said he was there because Latoya had reached out and said, I don't know what to do, because she's claiming there are demons here. And while they're sitting in the living room on the main floor, Father Magina was telling Gruska that the bathroom light started flickering on and off. And so it was distracting enough that ultimately Father Magineau got up and walked over to the bathroom. And as soon as he went inside, the flickering stopped. And then he'd go back down and sit down and it would start again. Repeatedly, Father Magina would get up when it was flickering, he would go in and it would stop, he'd come back and it would start flickering again. So while this is happening and Father Maginot is going back and forth to the bathroom trying to figure out why the light is flickering, Latoya points out that a liquid is forming on one of the window blinds in the room that they were all sitting in. There was this oily liquid substance that was just kind of trickling down the window blinds. And Father Magina walks over and looks at it, they're all looking at it, and there's no leak in the ceiling. There's no source for this liquid, and it hadn't been there before. At least that's what Latoya Amons and her family is saying, that that's not from us. We don't know what that is. As they're looking at this oily substance on the blinds, the cord that controls the blind itself starts swaying back and forth. And everyone's startled as they're looking at it because there's no draft in the room, the window's not open, there's no reason it should be swaying. While they're looking at this cord, Father Maginot looks down and sees this huge footprint in the carpet near where they're standing that was too big to be his, and nobody else in the house had a footprint that was that big. At this point, Father Maginot doesn't think it's safe for the family to be there and advises her to leave. And this would actually be the episode that prompts Latoya Ammons and her family to leave the house and not come back. On May 10th, Lieutenant Gruska, a new child protective services case manager, and a host of police officers go back to the Ammons residence. The Ammons residence has been unoccupied with all utilities shut off, locked, and sealed since the last time they were there, which was on April 27th. So it's a two-week period that no one has been in the house. But there is a customary follow-up to this house. They had to as part of the home study. When Lieutenant Gruska arrives at the property, outside is Father Mashino, as well as Latoya Amons, her mother, Rosa, Latoya's two sons, Andrew and Amante, as well as a host of police officers. There's a canine unit that's there. Although it's not said explicitly in the report, it would appear that the reason there's all this additional police presence in a canine unit is because there's enough weirdness being reported about the house. There could be, you know, a home invasion situation happening, that somebody else is living in this house. Any number of things could be happening, but they can't write off all of the strange testimony about what's happening in the house. And so before they go in for this second home study, they have one of the dogs from the canine unit go into the property and search the property for intruders. Just in case this was a home invasion or something like that. They wanted to just check the box. So they send the dog in, the dog comes out, hasn't found anything unusual. And so the police, along with Father Imaginot, the case manager, and Rosa, they go back into the house. The main level looked untouched. There was nothing strange happening in the main level when they walked around, nothing was disturbed. It looked like no one had been here in two weeks. So they open the door to the basement, they turn on the light, and a couple weird things happen right away. One, they notice that on the steps, on the wooden steps leading into the basement, there is an oily substance with no clear origin that goes all the way down the steps, snakes around the side, and disappears underneath the stairs. As they begin walking down the stairs, the case manager from Child Protective Services happens to touch a cabinet that had been built into the walls along the stairwell leading down into the basement. And immediately she pulls her hand back. She grabs her pinky and she reacts like something had hurt her. And they ask, Hey, what's going on? And she's like, I don't know, I just touched the cabinet and my hand now hurts. My pinky hurts. It's tingling. And it apparently had turned white. We don't have any images to show that. But her her pinky basically had been wounded just from touching this cabinet. And so the officers go down into the basement, they follow this oily trail that goes back under the stairs. And they're thinking to themselves, all the utilities have been turned off. There's no reason there should be any water down here. Not to mention there's no origin for this oily substance. And no one's been in the house for the past two weeks. So we can't even account for this by saying that one of the family members might have spilled something. And so, even though it's not written into the report that they were scared or that they were considering this could be beyond rational explanation, it's clear from what happens next that everybody there was ready to explore the idea that something was happening underneath the steps. Because now the families claimed there's been something crawling out of there and walking up the stairs at night. You have this strange oily substance coming from the underside of the stairs, you have the white and the green apparition inside of the pictures. Father Maginot suggested that if there was some sort of demonic possession happening in the house, that there's a good chance they would find things underneath the steps that were tied to the family. And so they decide they're gonna dig up the dirt underneath the steps. And so Gruska begins digging into this dirt patch under the steps. And he makes it about two feet down, and he finds a press-on pink fingernail. He also finds women's underwear, and as he keeps digging, he finds a political pin, like for your t-shirt. He also finds the lid to one of the cooking pots from upstairs. He continues to dig and he finds some trash and miscellaneous papers, and it dawns on the group that someone or something is leaving the basement, going into the main section of the house, taking things from the family, going back downstairs, going underneath the steps, and burying them. And probably has been for some time. And so at some point they stopped being able to dig any farther. The soil was too hard, so they put the soil back and decide to leave the house. As they're leaving the house, Rosa is the last one to leave, and she actually says, Hey, come over here. And she's standing in that screened-in porch and she's looking up at the window blinds. On the window blinds in the house is that same, or it appeared to be the same, oily substance trickling down the blinds that match the description of what Father Majinot had said he had seen when he was visiting the family before and saw liquid coming down the blinds. And so the officers reacted to this by saying, Rosa, did you do this? Are you responsible for putting this liquid on the blinds? And she said, No. There was no clear source for this liquid. There was no leak, there was nothing. And so Lieutenant Ruzco wipes the liquid off of the blinds and tells everyone to leave the house. For 25 minutes, they waited. And then they went back inside to see if there was going to be liquid there, and there was. Then Father Magino would say that after that first time he was there and he saw the liquid dripping down, he did some research. And it's very common over the history of time that if there's any sort of demonic possession in a house, that liquids will ooze from different areas in the house. And it's this oily substance that matches the description of what they just saw. At this point, Lieutenant Grusca and the police tell everyone to vacate the premise, they lock it up, and they leave. And that is the end of the police report. Although not included in this police report where I pulled all of the story from, Charles Austin, who was the other officer who was in the basement with Lieutenant Gruska when they were taking pictures underneath the steps and they heard that voice on the recorder. Well, Charles Austin actually worked for another police department, the Hammond Police Department, and he took some pictures of the outside of this house during the time that no one was staying at the house. And one of the official police pictures shows a shadowy figure standing in the screened-in porch of this house, right near where that liquid was dripping down the blinds. In 2014, Zach Begons, who's a popular paranormal investigator, he hosts the show Ghost Adventures. He purchased the Demon House and filmed a documentary that he called The Demon House. And you can check that out for yourself. And he demolished the house in 2016. So I'd love to get your opinion on this story because I told it based on information that was available in official police documentation. Now that doesn't mean that it was paranormal, that this house was haunted, that there were demons there, but it at least makes you wonder what was really happening in that house.

Would You Enter That Basement

SPEAKER_10 1:23:23

That one is climbing up backwards and just leave the house.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:48

Right. I mean what digs up your basement and puts your toys and your fingernails and I mean it's kind of like Amityville horror type stuff.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:00

For really I mean, you call it freaked out to bless your house, or you just tear down that motherfucker. You know, freaked out. I mean it's a weird oily ooh.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:16

From Denver, the one that was on the Sean Ryan show. That's what I'm talking about. That guy's scene almost like the devil. Send him in there. He'll get it right.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:28

That would just have oaky. You know, that's what I was saying. I know that we have those kind of weird, uh weird places here. I maybe maybe we could uh pick some up and we'll we'll go uh walking around with the other.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:39

Do you think that the cops would actually go in there legal these days? Or do you think that there's a generation of police that have the guys and be like, you know what? Let's go see what that mess is. What's that goo?

SPEAKER_10 1:24:49

Yeah, that's that's that's some old school stuff right there. I I mean they're not boarded up right or they're not boarded up. I mean, I wouldn't really want to go like, ooh, I don't know, you gotta I'd be messed up. That would uh just that's I mean that that is definitely some uh exorcist uh right.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:18

I mean I've heard some scary stories in my time, but that one was probably a little bit more freaky just because it was like so uh it was late. Nothing crazy for your house or haunted or demonstrate for kids are crawling up the walls or stealing your fingernails or like you call your your friend, you're like, My kids are crawling up the walls or it's tough being a single mom.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:47

You know kids these days, they're man.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:53

I just speaking in tongues.

SPEAKER_16 1:25:55

Uh you may have never known.

The Bar With A Border Bathroom

SPEAKER_10 1:26:07

All right, y'all. Here's another strange fact you may have never have known, and I may have never have known as well. There is a bar you can drink in the Netherlands and pee in Belgium. Yep, so I I mean I you obviously imagine that it's a a border thing like that, but how crazy is that that they built a bar or a restaurant toilet on the Belgium side, right? I mean, you know, well, I I guess they gotta deal with all the spooky dookies, right? Like, no you have to hire a specif a Belgian janitor just to clean up after that.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:51

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:53

Like, no, no, no. That's crazy. Would that mean that you would have like two different like water bills or sewer bills or something like that? I don't know. I mean, because that would suck, right?

SPEAKER_11 1:27:03

Because especially yeah, well, yeah, what if you accidentally pay the wrong one?

SPEAKER_10 1:27:06

Right. And you're just like your your sewer's not working and now it's all backed up.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:10

No, you got the so we can do that.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:17

That was a crazy one for it.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:19

We're gonna draw the line right here. Right before. Well, but I want to have my bathroom there.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:25

No, no, gotta have it over there.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:27

No, we're putting it over there. I'll just pay the property taxes ten cents a month. We're gonna go drink a beer in Netterland and go take a dump over there in Belgium.

Where To Listen And Stay Connected

SPEAKER_11 1:27:47

Thanks everybody for watching this episode. We really appreciate it. And again, make sure you like, share, subscribe, comment, let us know what you liked or what we didn't like, or like we said, man, if you got any videos or whatever.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:00

Send them into the comment section.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:01

Definitely. We'll definitely check them all out. You can also reach us on like Facebook, Studio 105 Productions. Check us out on Spotify, iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts. We're TrueFans if you want to support the channel.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:18

We are everywhere. And we definitely do appreciate it.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:33

And hopefully we get some of those viewers from the Testament show the other night. That was a blast, man. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:38

That was a really great show.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:40

Overkill Testament.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:44

I had a great time at that one. So many people there. That was insane. I think it was one of the shows that was sold out. I know uh the pizza was great, but the line sucked.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:54

I was standing there behind the soundboard watching the show, and this guy, this guy's standing right behind me. And I said, and my buddy James was walking by and he's in the t-shirt line. He's probably been in there for like a half hour or so. And he's like, What size did you need? I said, good, a large is good. And he goes, Oh, you got a guy on the line for a shirt. That's smart. And that's one of my buddies. And then Eric walks up with pizza. He's like, dude, pizza and shirts.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:23

Good job. Lucky day for Justin. We suffered through it for this man, but it was all good. It was a good time, man. Great, great show. Love you, Testament. Love you, Overkill. Yeah. And uh, what was it? Destruction? They actually I I'm not too too familiar with, but they they jammed out of the jam.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:39

But man, I was like, that place was so packed, you walk in. That's as far as you go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:45

Dude, it was yeah, it was it was ass to elbows.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:48

Big shout out to my boy James. Thanks for the shirt, man. Thanks for Eric hooking me up on the ticket, brother.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:54

For sure, man. Happy birthday both times. So heck yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:57

All right, we love you guys. We'll see you next week.

Open Up To The Experience

SPEAKER_16 1:30:45

Open up to the spirit. Open up to the experience.