Metal Death Conspiracy, Moon Chocolate, and Shared Passings

EP.17 - NASA is heading back to the Moon, but the weird part is how many people barely heard about it. Justin and Erik react to the Artemis II launch, why it felt like the date showed up out of nowhere, and how that kind of quiet rollout practically invites doubts. We get into the modern trust problem around space news, from flat earth arguments to the confusion people have when a livestream switches to computer models for tracking stages, separation, and orbital maneuvers. Next, we pivot into a music culture rabbit hole that still hits a nerve: did MTV and corporate radio help kill mainstream rock on purpose? We talk through Billy Corgan’s claims, Charlie Benante backing him up, the late-90s gatekeeper era, and why bands are harder for an industry to “manage” than solo pop stars. Even with less mainstream support, we point out why rock and metal fans keep the scene alive, and why the live-show community feels different from most other genres. Then things get personal and eerie. We share what happened in the studio when a clear voice said “Hey” in a silent, sound-treated room, and why it got even creepier when that same sound showed up later in audio we hadn’t fully reviewed. From there we go deep on shared death experiences, near-death research, hospice stories, the “mist” reports, and the science-versus-skeptic debate about consciousness and the afterlife. Subscribe for more, share this with a friend who loves weird questions, and leave a review with your take: are these patterns proof of something bigger, or just the brain doing what it has to do?

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Transcript

Welcome And Quick Catch Up

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Will they anything and everything? HC Podcast, Justin and Eric.

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Why do you want to be here? Why do you love space? Why do you love being a part of history?

SPEAKER_15 1:25

We're going back to the fucking moon, that's why.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

What's happening, y'all? What's up, everybody? Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_19 1:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Thank you once again for joining us. We much appreciate it. Hope y'all liked the last episode. It was pretty chillin'. Yeah. Hell yeah. So how you doing today, man? Good, man. How about you? I'm doing okay. You know, it's nice out. You know, we had a uh chilly day yesterday in Colorado.

SPEAKER_19 1:52

Cold snap.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

Yeah, here in Colorado, which was kind of weird, I guess, you know, for us now.

SPEAKER_19 1:57

Yeah, it's like it's like beachfront property all of a sudden, all year, and then all of a sudden they're like, oh yeah, it's winter.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

Uh I believe when I was California.

SPEAKER_19 2:04

It's springtime now, though.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah. And I got, you know, started to grow my pepper plat, so it should be pretty chilling. Uh you know, I'm one of those weird guys that likes hot food that, you know, and I'm trying to kill myself that way, I guess. I don't know. I ain't eating it. Hell nah, man. The hotter the better. Right on. Yeah, so cool.

SPEAKER_19 2:25

Yeah, thanks for joining us again, guys. We got some good stories for you.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

Hell yeah. The Artemis II and nobody knew.

SPEAKER_19 2:32

Yeah. NASA's going back to the moon, shooting up Artemis II, and like you said, nobody knew. It's like April Fool's Day, all this stuff. It's like telling us it's New Year's Day. Right. But you know. That's another podcast.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

It's another podcast, but it's a good one.

SPEAKER_19 2:49

Yeah. Yeah, we got some stuff about that, and then we also have some stuff from uh Billy Corrigan and Charlie Benante. They were talking about how MTV killed metal, you know, or hard rock music. And you know, it's towards the late 90s, early 2000s is when there was kind of like a culture shift within the uh music video world. Right. You know, and that's a what a lot of these bands got their exposure through MTV, you know, and so we got some stuff about that. And also we got some stuff with Wi-Files, with AJ talking about shared death experiences. This one's a little more D.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

It's not the other one.

SPEAKER_19 3:35

But yeah, I mean, so basically, people are saying that they've been next to people that are passing along and they've had their memories or seen their mist and their souls. So yeah, got a cool story about that. And then as always, we've got strange facts from never knew.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

This one's a good one. Uh uh.

SPEAKER_19 3:55

He's excited.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

He came in, he's like, I got a great one, got one, got one. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_19 3:59

So you guys stick around and we'll uh we'll talk to you after this.

Artemis II Launch Playback

SPEAKER_05 4:13

No cats?

SPEAKER_15 4:14

No jad. Okay, so that's right here, Fro just Cats, Camps, raping them. So where are these camps at? Um, nine, eight, seven, RS twenty-five inches.

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Four, three, two, one, booster ignition, and lift off the crew of Artemis II now bound for the moon. Humanity's next great voyage begins.

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You still now control with the flight of integrity of the Artemis II mission. One minute, approaching executive. Communications signal transport confirmed as integrity and its crew go supersonic, approaching 90 seconds into the Artemis 2 mission. Integrity is 14 miles an altitude, eight miles downrange, traveling more than 2,600 miles per hour. One minute 50 seconds of mission elapsed time standing by for main engine throttle down to 85%. We see throttle throttle down. Confirmed separation. Main engines throttling up, guidance converged.

SPEAKER_04 7:32

RCS ready.

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Two minutes 45 seconds of mission elapsed time into the Artemis 2 mission. Thrusters on integrity and upper stage confirmed in a ready state ahead of service module fairing separation. Three minutes into the flight. Integrity 49 miles in altitude, 78 miles downrange. Now passing 5,000 miles per hour. Standing by for launch force system, Jettison.

SPEAKER_05 8:30

Houston integrity, good last jettison. Great you.

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And Houston has you loud and clear on Peter's at the comment line.

SPEAKER_05 8:53

Outstanding, Stan. We have you save.

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Wiseman, Glover, Cook, and Hansen cross the boundary to space with good comm checks. GPS signals acquired after last jettison now working on internal checks to verify accuracy. Flight Dynamics Officer analyzed the time of main engine cutoff confirmed at eight minutes two seconds time of Nego. Software finishes internal checks and sends to navigation channels. On time now passing five minutes twenty seconds of mission elapsed time into the Artemis 2 mission. At this point, three good main engines are all that's needed to carry integrity to a nominal main engine cutoff target. So at this time we're seeing four good engines here in Mission Control Houston. Integrity, 75 miles in altitude, three hundred and thirty miles down range, approaching ten thousand miles per hour.

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Integrity, seventy-eight miles in altitude, four hundred and sixty miles in the four seconds.

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Nine minutes of mission elapsed time, integrity crew of Reed Wiseman, Victor Glover, Christina Cook, and Jeremy Hanson now in orbit around the Earth at the beginning of their journey to the moon. Now reminding the crew that the uh parody rays maneuver time of ignition is as expected prior to booster ignition. That time being forty-nine minutes fifty seconds of mission launch time.

Moon Mission Skeptics And Theories

SPEAKER_19 15:12

Yeah, so we're heading to the moon, man.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Apparently, I mean it was I thought it was just kind of odd because you know nobody nobody's really talked about it. I I I just uh Right.

SPEAKER_19 15:23

That was the craziest thing. Like you didn't know until a couple days before, and then I almost seemed like, well, that's April 1st.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Right. That's what I was thinking too. I was like, it's just an April Fool's joke, yeah. Like, uh, we were just messing around, it's not until next week. Right.

SPEAKER_19 15:38

And now, you know, we're recording this. It's actually Saturday, so we've passed that date, obviously. And so we've had a few days to hear like the reactions from all sides of the spectrum of what is going on here. So, you know, Eric was talking about what the flat earthers were saying.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Oh, yeah, you know, they're the um they're they're actually not showing the real, you know, the real planet or anything like that. And they even show one of the the the astronauts he he shows himself and he like kind of hands around and shows the earth, and there he there he has it, it's an ice round earth, and but you people are still oh no, no, that's not right. That's not right.

SPEAKER_19 16:15

So I mean there's gonna be skeptics for everything, right? You know what I mean? But if you take it at face value, like I said, we're going to the moon again. Right. You know, and I didn't realize that you know the path isn't just like you're firing off a rocket straight from here right up to the moon. You know what I mean? I just I saw this morning there was actually like a path that they have to orbit around the earth and kind of like slingshot from the earth to get around the moon and then come back and slingshot around the moon and come back and then land it in California, which is like it's insane, man. That's pretty cool. It is that's like how they uh it'd be great to see the I'm sorry to cut you off, but it'd be great to see the images from the other side. Of the moon? Yeah, that's what I'm witnessing now.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

I mean, truly, I I'm you know if we get to see images from the other side. Well, you know, I mean, and there's stuff, there's bad stuff that could happen. They might not come back. I mean, it is a possibility. They're gonna come back. We're gonna be hopeful. Right. We're gonna be positive. I saw something that made me really laugh. Somebody put a meme on Facebook that says, you know, wouldn't it be funny if we, you know, gave out a uh gazillion freaking uh uh um gorilla outfits and put them once they came back?

SPEAKER_03 17:31

They're like, it's the blind of my yeah, yo dirt that, yo.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

But you know, there's all kinds of skeptics to still say that you know we've we you know throw away in the first place and and all that, and you know, never landed on the moon, which I've kind of seen those videos and I'm kind of skeptical about that. Like, eh, that's kind of funky.

SPEAKER_19 17:52

But you know I watched it happen, you know, I watched the launch and everything. And once they got to a certain point, you know, they lose uh sight of it, and so they have like a computer-generated model that they're showing on the screen saying what it's doing, like right before it separates from the rockets and everything, and people are like, that's not real. There's no way they've got a camera up there watching it. It's like it's really not real. We know. I mean, uh, I know it's not real. I just take it for what it says, it's showing the stage of what the where it's at. People freak out about the littlest things.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

Right. I mean, yeah, we all know that the first, you know, moon landing and all that good stuff. It was kind of that's the that's the sketchy part that I was kind of talking about. This I I mean, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_19 18:44

I mean, uh, even if it's real, if it's not real, let's just buckle up and watch the show, man.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Right? Let's see what they got up next. You know, I mean, let's not totally throw it in the trash before we get all before we get it all, you know. It still might taste good at the end, you know.

SPEAKER_19 19:01

I mean, yeah, they might find some allies over there. Hey, you never know.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

I I I I think flavored chocolate or something out there. If it's actually really going on, that's pretty badass. Moon chocolate. Moon chocolate.

SPEAKER_19 19:14

It'd be like, we're taking over the moon because it's got the best chocolate in the universe.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

What if there is some shit on the other side that happens over there that they get taken out? Like, oh, uh-oh, we done pissed somebody off. Right. So I've got to worry about Iran now.

SPEAKER_19 19:30

We told you guys not to come back here.

SPEAKER_02 19:32

Dude, wouldn't that be crazy?

SPEAKER_19 19:35

Uh that's that's you had a theory. Go ahead and say, Oh, the whole Iran thing.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Yeah, you know, maybe maybe that's why they weren't talking about this whole launch and all that stuff, because you know, we're we're messing with Iran, and I was tell I was talking to Justin about that, and I was like, were they kind of worried that maybe you know, if they launched it that Iran might have some way of shooting it down and you know, totally just blowing it up in the sky. That that would have been freaking totally devastating for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_19 20:01

Terrible thing, glad that didn't happen. Right? Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_02 20:04

And that's why I was like, hey, you know, was there, man?

SPEAKER_19 20:06

I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Yeah, I I I don't know. It was just one of those weird thoughts that popped in my head, and I was like, well, maybe that's why. But you know, I mean, I know they they had been talking about, you know, that we're going in outer space, we're gonna go here and there, and you know, talk about going back to the moon. I just never really ever recall hearing a date, and then it was just like this week, hey, guess what?

SPEAKER_19 20:24

Well, it's kind of funny how all these years everybody's been like, you didn't go there, man. How come you go you don't go back? Just go back then if you're so tough. You know, if you actually did it, then do it again. Well, there you go. All right. Yeah, we got you.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

There you go.

SPEAKER_19 20:40

So all right, didn't expect that.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Well, and the video will be better this time because you know, we we uh we all well, we would hope it's easier to manipulate, right? But what if it all goes blank on the other side of the moon?

SPEAKER_19 20:53

I mean, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

It's you know it's just never know.

SPEAKER_19 20:57

Everything is classified until it's declassified. True that. So up next we got some stuff about MTV killing rock music.

Did MTV Push Rock Out

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Several weeks ago, we talked about some explosive comments made by Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins on his podcast, The Magnificent Others, and those comments got a lot of people talking. When I posted about it on my Twitter, we reached over a million people, you had everyone from Kurt Loader to the Taylor Swift's music video director weighing in on the situation, and weeks later people are still talking about it, and now a legendary metal drummer is weighing in on the situation. He was there, he saw it happen, and he's backing up Billy Corgan on his claim. For decades, rock and metal fans have watched their favorite genres get pushed out by the mainstream, replaced by pop and rap. We were told public taste just naturally changed. But what if that was a lie? What if rock music was intentionally pushed out by industry gatekeepers in a coordinated corporate coup? Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan recently exposed what he believes is a massive industry conspiracy to silence rock music. And now, anthrax and Pantera legend Charlie Benante is stepping forward to back him up, dropping names and exposing exactly how the industry pulled it off. Now, Billy Corgan really went into the weeds about a shadowy industry-wide initiative in the late 90s. According to Corgan, the disappearance of rock from popular culture was anything but an accident or a natural shift in the cultural wind. It was a calculated purge. He explained that executives wanted to increase their profits by pushing artists who were easier to manipulate and control, the boy bands and the pop groups. Corgan stated overtly that rock was purposely dialed down in the culture, pinpointing the massive shift from 1997 to 1998. He noted that if you were around MTV during that time, it suddenly decided Rock was out, despite it still being massively popular, and immediately shifted their standards and practices. He even touched on the darker rumors surrounding this era, noting that some people asserted the CIA was involved in shifting cultural standards to promote different lifestyles, though he admitted that specific detail was above his pay grade.

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If you were at MTV or around MTV 1997-98, suddenly they decided rock was out when rock was still very, very high up in the thing, and it was replaced by RAP. Their standards and practices immediately shifted. Some people assert that the CIA was involved in all that, again, above Mike pay grade, but I saw it happen. I did witness it happen.

SPEAKER_16 24:45

But what he did witness firsthand was an over shift to sideline rock stars who had a powerful voice. He pointed out the massive hypocrisy that still exists today, noting that rock is probably the most dominant ticket selling genre in the Western world. Yet it receives almost zero representation in mainstream culture. According to Corgan, the industry purposely doubled down the ability of rock stars to have a voice, favoring artists instead who they know will color between the lines. For a long time, Corgan's theory might have been dismissed as just another conspiracy. But the truth is, the market share of rock in the charts has eroded substantially over the last two decades, and mainstream award shows have practically banished heavy music to the untelevised pre-shows. Now, Anthrax and Pantera drummer Charlie Benante is throwing his way behind Corgan's claims. When asked about the theory, Benante didn't just agree, he escalated the conversation, pointing a finger directly at the corporate machine. Now Charlie says this is something he's been pointing out for the longest time. He called out the gatekeepers who still prevent heavy music from reaching the masses, keeping the genre chained down while opening the floodgates for saturated pop and country music. Then Benante dropped a hammer, declaring outright that there was a coup. He pointed to the massive corporate buyouts of radio stations in the late 90s as the weapon used to kill rock's mainstream reach. He specifically called out the era when massive corporations started buying up independent radio stations, citing the tragic loss of legendary LA rock station KMAC. Bonante explained that KMAC gave fans a dedicated home, but when it was bought out and removed, the market dropped significantly, and corporate sterilization spread across the entire country. And he echoed Corgan's sentiments about MTV as well, noting that one day the network simply decided they were done playing rock music. Bonante concluded with a haunting reality about the music business, saying, it hurt the industry, and nobody came to rescue it. But the undeniable reality is that rock and metal bands are still selling out stadiums worldwide, entirely without the help of mainstream radio, TV, or pop culture validation. But the questions raised by Corgan and Benante remain. Was the death of mainstream rock a natural evolution or a coordinated corporate hit job designed to silence the rebellious voices and maximize easy profits? The artists who live through the purge are making their stance clear.

Why Metal Fans Stay Loyal

SPEAKER_19 27:12

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

I you know, and it it's weird because I I've seen stuff on how, you know, in TV, the industry and all that had has pushed out, you know, rock music and metal and all that stuff, and it's like, you know, why that's what we grew up on was that kind of music.

SPEAKER_19 27:31

It was everywhere. That's why we grew up on it.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

For real. But it, you know, and it was cultural to us. I mean, it always had some kind of message that, you know, it it made you think.

SPEAKER_19 27:43

You know, throughout the 80s, it was always a mishmash of everything. It was never just geared towards one you know genre. And then they started putting like headbanger's ball, they would put like uh yo M TV raps, stuff like that for like special interest stuff where you got a little heavier or whatever like that, but it was never really like you know discriminated against in any way. It was always just like you you'd listen to like Glen Fry one second and then it would have like Amadeus the next. Flock of seagulls, you know, seriously. Right, it was about how it was, and that's why we all grew up on it because it was literally like a radio station playing videos all day.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

It was awesome stuff.

SPEAKER_19 28:27

Yeah, it was good stuff, and then the nineties came and it was still pretty good, but then we started noticing as metal heads, like headbanger's balls um idea of what metal was started to change. It started to go geared towards more punk rock and alternative style music, and that's like that's not what headbanger's music is, dude. And that's pretty much what ended the headbanger's ball era. And so it did. I like even when '98, you know, you got Bush, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Bush, Allison Chains, STP, and all that stuff. And and they were putting it on Headbanger's Ball, and and you're totally right, and that's not what I no, I'm saying like in '98 that those bands were good. Right.

SPEAKER_19 29:08

Were like the rock and roll, not heavy. I'm just saying, like in '98, that was past the headbanger's ball stuff.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Is that what it was, huh? Yeah.

SPEAKER_19 29:19

So I'm saying like the alternative rock kind of crunch was the rock scene in ninety-eight, and then that started to turn into like the limp biscuit with the more poppy, hip-hop-ish style of rock and roll music.

SPEAKER_20 29:38

It was huh, like right around ninety eight ninety-eight, ninety nine, huh?

SPEAKER_19 29:43

And so then it started changing the demographics of the people that were coming to watch these shows like Lollapalooza, you had hip hop artists, you had all these other things, and it started to change the demographics. So I did notice the change that you know, all the bands like like Metallica went like black for a long time, and everybody's like, What the heck? You know, what's going on? And it's like, well, because the whole industry's changed changed. That's not geared towards a Metallica lifestyle anymore. You know what I mean? Like, that's not what they want to promote. And like this guy was saying on the video, it's easier to push and control one artist than it is to control a band of people, you know, because you've got five people in a band that have five separate minds. Just getting a band together is hard. You know what I mean? You know, controlling them in a situation like that, I can imagine that it's a lot easier to have a Britney Spears or a if you're gonna have a five person group, then it's gotta be a boy band that's like kids that you can manipulate and push around.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

True that yeah. Well, I guess, you know, in and after you're saying that, it kind of made me think of uh uh one of our favorite bands, Mushroom Head, where you know, in that video he's like, I signed the contract. J-Man, you signed the contract? Yes, I signed the contract. And there's a lot of guys in there, so I would imagine that yeah, getting all them kind of all on the same page and just kind of making it work.

SPEAKER_19 31:16

Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

Would be it, yeah.

SPEAKER_19 31:18

Well, I mean, ND NWA had a problem with that stuff. Right. You know, it's pretty well known. So it was like it's the same thing. You know, it's easier to control one you know, kid that's grown up in the system, it's already been d indoctrinated and they know how to be a robot.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Because it did seem like even when rap first came out, there were they were a group, you know. Yeah, and now it just kind of pushed everybody to just one single artist. That's kind of there's no salt and peppin' no mo. No salt well, no, and it's just like after you said NWA, it just kind of you know started to make me think about like Wu Tang, and then there was like you know the goodie mob and uh um they all went their separate ways. Yeah, their separate ways because of whatever reasons. Damn, I you know, that's make you think yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_19 32:07

Well, the the CIA control and stuff is not like a far-fetched, you know, theory on a lot of things either, because you know, like I keep beating a dead horse with this book chaos, but it's literally what it talks about was the 60s, the CIA control, the mind control, the drugs, the torture, the sex stuff, all that, and then you know, the fear of the Black Panther Party taking over America, so they weaponized basically the hippies so that they would fight. It's insane, but that's what they did. They had actors and artists and directors and all these people that were certified by the CIA.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

They weren't just well, you remember the whole thing of if you play your records backwards, you get secret messages and stuff, you know, and stuff like that. And you know, it just you know, I bring it up that book and the MK Ultra, and you know, you never know what they if I've played records backwards. I uh I never got really any message that I could really understand. I mean, but you know, words are different playing backwards, but you never know. I mean, that whole CIA thing.

SPEAKER_19 33:14

I've never done that, man. I'm not opening that gate.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

Curiosity, man.

SPEAKER_19 33:20

I mean, think about how many people that are like doing music and producing and engineering music, how many times they've heard things backwards. If there was really something to that, they would anyway. Yeah, that's a conspiracy. That's it's crazy how you know, like we were just talking about it earlier. You know, I think the reason why we are able to go to shows that are like sold out from our favorite bands is because the bands that are in rock music and stuff like that seem to have a more loyal fan base. Right. You know, like we don't wait for some other band to come out and diss the band that we're listening to so that we can start listening to the other band because they dissed this band better. It's like not how uh rock and roll and metal works. And you, you know, I know I'm not the first person to say it, and I know I won't be the last person to say it, but if you go to a metal show, you're gonna be surrounded by some of the nicest people on the planet. Everybody's just there to have a good time, and nobody came here to fight. Yeah, not one, unless they're already trashed, and those people, you know, the most important anyways.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

But you don't see some somebody trying to start shit because they're from the other street.

SPEAKER_19 34:34

The show we just went to the other night, the testament show, the dude had a bunch of guys put a guy on a wheelchair up on the stage. He was like one of those like motorized wheelchairs, man. Those things were like, come on, all of you can do it. Yeah, but got him up there, man, and he sat on the side of the stage. It's like you're not gonna see that stuff in the other shows where they're talking about you know dealing drugs and killing each other for money and whatever, you know. I'm just saying that it is a different beast of kind of different demographic for sure. Yeah. But yeah, we that's why, you know, we wanted to put this up because you know, there are a couple of my friends that actually shared this with me a little while back when Billy Corrigan had said something, and you know, I thought that was pretty interesting because it's actually you know, it all lines up. It's not like the people that have been around and have you know been music fans for the last 40 years didn't notice stuff like that. But we just, you know, have to move on and find our resources for where we can find stuff. But thanks a lot, Justin, for sending me that topic. That was cool. Right on.

The Studio Voice That Said Hey

SPEAKER_19 35:42

Yeah. So up next, we're gonna tell you a little story about what happened here in the studio the other day after I was editing the last week's podcast.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

What's up, everyone? Yeah.

SPEAKER_19 37:00

Yeah. So we're gonna tell you about this little uh happening that we had in the studio. Well, I guess that I had in the studio the other day. Yeah. So last week we did a little segment with Mr. Ballin telling a scary story about a demon house, you know, and there was a spot in there where the detectives were listening back to some audio on a tape deck. Well, last week after we got done recording, Eric took off, you know, and uh there was a party here at the studio that was going on a few hours later, so I just hung out by myself, stayed here at the studio, started editing and everything. Um, and I got probably a quarter of the way through, maybe a little about a third, something like that. But when I was editing, I kept hearing these noises behind me, you know, which I hear noises in here all the time. We've seen stuff in here all the time. It's a funky place. Yeah. And so, you know, I've actually asked the owner one day, I was like, Do we got mice in here or something? Because, you know, I hear noises in there. I'll you know, this is before where I would hear something right behind me by the drum set over here, and he's like, Um, we do have mice in here, but that probably wasn't a mouse. I was like, Well, what does that mean? And so he started to proceed to tell me all these stories about what's gone on in this place. And this place used to be a burlap factor or burlap sack factory that I guess was kind of like a sweatshop type scenario. Um, and so some a fire happened, some kids got killed, and whoever owned the company just like packed up everything and split to China. They know they didn't really alert authorities or anything. This was a really terrible situation. So, anyway, the owner says he's he they'll find burlap, you know, flying through the air sometimes and weird stuff like that. But on their cameras, that they actually have studios in this place, and they said that on their cameras they'll watch and see something just fall down and nothing was even near it, you know, and they'll get calls. He said he's been down in the the venue where we have a stage and all that stuff, and here'll he'll hear somebody walking across the stage in their jam room down there, he'll hear somebody behind the curtain over there. It's like there's obviously something going on. Eric's heard stuff he's seen.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

And it's just you walk down the hall and it just feels so weird. It's got a weird vibe. Justin, we're uh standing in the other room, and uh I was pointing so that way you guys could see the other room that you can't see. Ha ha ha ha. But anyways, we were having a conversation, and just like just kind of was looking down at the floor, and I saw a shadow. It was and there's nothing in this room, and I saw the shadow on the floor, kind of like something walking poke and just boink, and it was funky. I was like, what the freak?

SPEAKER_19 39:52

And so yeah, and that same same thing happened to me when I was coming back from the bathroom one day. There was these long hallways down here, and there was a little kid poking its head down around the corner, and the people that own this place have a little granddaughter that has never spoken to me, never I say hi, she like totally ignores me, walks off, but she wasn't even here. So I don't know who that little kid was. But that was weird. And then so anyway, the other day, get done editing, it's about time to go to the party. So I pack everything up, got all the lights turned off except for the one overhead. And as I put my sunglasses on over James Hetfield over here, there's like a little glare on the poster itself, and I was like, whatever. So I start to walk away, I turn off the light, and as soon as I do, I hear this hey I'm getting goosebumps now talking about it again, but I turned around and I turned the light on, and I came back in here and said, What? What is it? And obviously nothing spoke back to me, but it was clear as day that somebody said, Hey. And next door, the next door neighbor had just shown up not too long before that. But there's no way that you hear something that clear through that wall. Yeah, it's you know, there's carpet on the walls and everything in here. It's like it's a banned place. There's a reason for it, you know. And so, anyway, as soon as I get out of here, I call Eric and told him what happened, and he's like, dude, that's weird. There's always some weird stuff going on in here, right?

SPEAKER_02 41:34

Yeah, just a weird eerie thing, it just but it you just feel it, man.

SPEAKER_19 41:40

It's got a weird vibe to it. And a lot of it's because it's so quiet in a a room that's been sound treated, you know what I mean? So that's kind of weird anyway. But so the other night, you know, abs are getting the crap kicked out of them, so I decide turn on our podcast real quick and let my wife watch it. And so we're watching. And they get to that part where Mr. Bollins talking about what they had on the recording, and they play it back, and it says, Hey. I got goosebumps. I was like, holy crap, because the thing is, this is kind of something I probably shouldn't admit, but when I was putting Eric's part, this Mr. Ballin part together, I didn't go through every second of the video, so I never saw that part. All I got from him was actually a short video that didn't have as much information as what I put on there. And plus, I didn't even get to that part of the editing before I left. So it was like I hadn't even heard it.

SPEAKER_02 42:49

So crazy.

SPEAKER_19 42:51

But when I heard it on the video, it was like exactly what I had heard before. And it was nuts. So then obviously it's a little creepy when you come in here after something like that happens. It's like, okay, well, you gotta either balls it up and just be like, Okay, man, we're gonna have to live together, or you just gonna be scared, one of the two. And I'm not really the one that wants to live in fear, so it was just like, hey, whatever's in here, we gotta coexist. I'm not gonna try to mess with you, don't try to mess with me, you know. If you want to play games, that's cool. Um, so Eric comes, you know, and and this was after before he showed up, I was standing in front of my desk and I could hear the speakers that we have up here humming. And it was instantly apparent that that's exactly where that sound had come from, and that's why it was so clear, and that's why it sounded like it was back here. Because the speakers made that noise, and whoever went hey, through those speakers I said when we left the other night, I said, just you know, let's be cool, man. Just turn the lights on or off or something, you know.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

So let us know.

SPEAKER_19 44:01

We stood there for a second waiting for the light to turn off. It didn't. But so we left, and then this morning when I got here, Eric was like, Did you leave this light on? Sure.

SPEAKER_02 44:13

And I walked in. I was just like because I remember because we were here on Thursday. I haven't been here since and uh I know that we turned it all off. I thought maybe Justin had come back and forgot to turn it back off. I haven't been here since it uh yeah, it was really weird because locked in. I'm like, uh, okay, I guess you forgot to turn it off and yeah.

SPEAKER_19 44:32

So apparently I thought we got a third wheel in our podcast which will introduce you to the uh the entity.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Right. I mean, it would be kind of wouldn't that be weird if it's a mist. Yeah, let us know.

SPEAKER_19 44:48

If he wants to speak, man, we're gonna let him speak. That's just kind of the way it is around here.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

Yeah, that's kind of a freaky story. So well, especially because, you know, after the whole like, well, just leave the lights on and blah blah, and you know, I come in and the light in this one is, you know, in in the in the room is on, and I just said turn, you know, do something with the lights.

SPEAKER_19 45:07

Uh you know, like turn them off or turn them on or something. So it's just weird because you know, now the lights on when he shows up. You know, so up next we've got a story about shared death experiences and people seeing the mist and you know, seeing souls leave the body

Shared Death Experiences Explained

SPEAKER_19 45:26

and stuff like that. So let's let AJ tell you about it.

SPEAKER_13 45:38

Jeff was on the operating table. A car accident a few hours earlier killed his wife and son. Now Jeff was fighting for his life. While doctors and nurses scrambled, a woman floated above the table. She was almost transparent, but glowing. It was Tamara, Jeff's wife. Tamara was smiling. She looked peaceful, grateful. Now you've heard this story before. A dead relative showing up at the moment of death. Skeptics say this is just a hallucination caused by the brain shutting down. But that theory doesn't apply here, because Jeff didn't see his wife floating in the room. The doctor did. The book sold 13 million copies. Moody had interviewed more than 100 people who'd been clinically dead and came back. Their stories were almost identical: a tunnel, an overwhelming light, deceased relatives waiting for them, a sense of peace so deep it changed their lives. Skeptics had answers for all of it. Oxygen deprivation caused tunnel vision, endorphins flood the brain, creating a sense of peace. The temporal lobe under stress creates visions of dead relatives. For decades, those answers held. But over the next 30 years, Moody kept hearing from a different kind of witness. These weren't people who died and come back. These are people who'd been sitting at someone's bedside when the person passed and experienced the exact same thing: the tunnel, the light, the deceased relatives. And they were healthy and fully conscious. Moody called this an SDE.

SPEAKER_10 47:20

STD.

SPEAKER_13 47:21

SDE, shared death experience. Ah, that makes more sense. The elements were consistent across hundreds of reports. Witnesses described a mist, something like golden gray smoke rising from the dying person's body. Researcher Peter Fenwick collected similar accounts from healthcare workers across the UK. They described it as smoke, a gray mist, or a very wispy white shape leaving the body, usually from the chest or through the head. Some saw the mist form into a transparent shape of the person. Others described music, not hospital sounds, something unearthly, beautiful and complex in ways they couldn't put into words.

SPEAKER_10 47:58

Oh, like E. No, not like Sorry, sorry, good, good, go ahead.

SPEAKER_13 48:07

So they heard music. Then there was the light. It was overwhelming and came from everywhere. A brilliance that witnesses said felt like love. The experience was described as more real than real, a phrase that kept showing up independently in report after report. Something else witnesses consistently described. The shape of the room changed. Walls that no longer met at right angles, the space collapsed and expanded at the same time. One woman described it as witnessing an alternative geometry. A hospital room, small, rectangular, and ordinary, took on the shape of a funnel hundreds of feet long. Some bystanders got pulled into something even stranger: the dying person's life review. They saw memories that weren't theirs. Episodes from the dying person's past, playing out like a movie. Multiple witnesses in the same room later confirmed they saw the same scenes. A woman watched her husband's childhood unfold before her eyes, memories she'd never heard before. Another family watched their dying father serving in a war, complete with faces and names of soldiers they'd never known. No skeptical model explains how healthy people access someone else's memories. Moody knew this sounded impossible. Then it happened to him. On May 9th, 1994, Moody's mother was dying of cancer. Six family members gathered around her bed. As they held hands, four of the six felt themselves lifting off the ground. The room morphed into an hourglass. Moody described a pull like a riptide, but upward, then the light changed. One of his sisters pointed and said, Look, Dad's here. He's come back to get her. Their father had been dead for almost two years. All six had an experience that night. Moody described it in one of his books.

SPEAKER_06 49:54

The room changed shape. The light was soft, fuzzy, like looking at a pool at night. And then it hit all of us at the same time. The fabric of the universe had torn. And for just a moment, we felt the energy of that place called heaven.

SPEAKER_13 50:14

After 50 years of research, Raymond Moody said it was shared death experiences that finally convinced him the afterlife is real. Not the thousands of NDEs, the SDEs. The most convincing cases weren't the ones where the experience was shared by family, friends, and other people close to the dying. The most convincing cases were the experience is shared by complete strangers.

SPEAKER_10 50:36

Are you sure we're not talking about STDs? This sounds like a retirement community in Florida.

SPEAKER_13 50:41

You stepped on my cliffhanger.

SPEAKER_10 50:43

I was trying to get a little clarity. Jeez. Look, I don't need any of that. I need you to stick to the script, look at the prompter, and know when we're having a scene.

SPEAKER_13 50:49

Don't just jump in. It was Easter weekend 1997. Jeff Olson fell asleep at the wheel driving home. The car rolled eight times at 75 miles an hour. His wife Tamara and their 14-month-old son Griffin died at the scene. His seven-year-old son Spencer survived. Olson's legs were crushed, his back was broken, his stomach was torn open by the seatbelt. Doctors amputated his left leg above the knee. He spent six months in the hospital, 18 surgeries. Dr. Jeff O'Driscoll was working the ER the night Olsen was airlifted in. He wasn't assigned to the case. A nurse named Rachel grabbed his arm and told him to come to the trauma room. She said Olsen's wife was there. O'Driskel knew what Rachel meant. They discovered something about each other months earlier. They both saw things they couldn't explain. O'Driscoll walked into the trauma bay. He looked at the gurney and saw a woman floating above Jeff Olson.

SPEAKER_08 51:50

She had curly blonde hair, flowing white clothes. She was almost transparent, but vibrant. More alive than anyone else in that room. She looked directly at me and smiled. Not a stranger's smile. She looked at me like she'd known me forever.

SPEAKER_13 52:10

Rachel saw her too. She said the woman radiated peace. While his body was on that gurney, Olsen's consciousness was somewhere else. He was floating above the accident scene in what he later described as a bubble of light. His wife Tamara was floating next to him. She was calm. She was beautiful. She told him he couldn't stay. Olson didn't want to go back. His wife was dead. His son was dead. His body was broken. But Tamara insisted he had to go back. Spencer needed him. Jeff O'Driscoll wrote the book, Not Yet, About His Experience. Jeff Olsen wrote his own book, Knowing. The two Jeffs became lifelong friends and told their story together at conferences for years. Even though shared death experiences is a new term, STDs have been happening for a long time.

unknown 52:56

What?

SPEAKER_13 52:57

You said STDs. No, I said STEs.

SPEAKER_10 53:00

No, you didn't. Rewind the tape. I'm living in your head, rent free, yeah. Carl Rent free.

SPEAKER_13 53:08

Carl Scala was a German soldier in World War I. He was crouched in a foxhole with his best friend when an artillery shell hit. Shrapnel everywhere. His friend slumped into Scala's arms, dead. Then Scala felt his consciousness pull up and out of his body. He was floating above the battlefield, over the trenches. He saw the mud, the smoke, the bodies. His friend was floating next to him. They rose together toward a brilliant light. At some point, Scala stopped. He didn't know why. But his friend continued and disappeared into the light. Scala woke up in the foxhole alive, holding the body of a man he just helped leave this world. There have been hundreds of cases of shared death experiences where people see an apparition. They hear music, they see light, they feel love. But you don't have to be in the same place as the dying to have this experience. You can have a shared death experience with someone thousands of miles away. In 2000, volunteer hospice worker William Peters sat beside a dying man named Ron. Ron was a former merchant marine. Tough guy, quiet. Not many friends or families came to visit. Peters had been reading to him for weeks. One day, Peters was mid-sentence when he felt something grab him. Not physically, his awareness was yanked upward and out of his body. Suddenly he was floating above Ron's bed, looking down at the scene below. He saw himself sitting in the chair. Then he realized Ron was there too, floating next to him. Ron looked at Peters completely at peace. Then Peters heard Ron speak.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

Check this out. Pretty amazing, right? Bet you didn't see this coming. Well, sorry, pal. Time for me to go. See you around.

SPEAKER_13 55:02

Then Peter's awareness dropped back into his body. Ron died minutes later. Peters didn't tell anybody about this experience. He didn't know if it was his imagination or if he was going crazy. Years later, he attended a lecture by Raymond Moody on shared death experiences. And for the first time, he heard someone describe exactly what he'd been through. It had a name. Other people had experienced it. He wasn't losing his mind. Peters founded the Shared Crossing Project in 2013 and started collecting cases. He now has more than 800. And here's what made the data genuinely strange. 64% of the SDEs Peters collected were remote. The person having the experience wasn't at the bedside. They weren't even in the same state. Annie Capp was sitting in her London office when she started choking. She couldn't breathe. For 25 minutes, she struggled for air with a growing sense of dread about her mother Betty, who is in a hospital in Portland, Oregon, 5,000 miles away. She called the hospital. Betty died while Annie was on the phone. Annie had been sharing her mother's death from across the Atlantic Ocean. Then there's Mark. He was on a plane.

SPEAKER_10 56:09

Yeah, let me guess. He was on a Spirit Airlines flight and wished for death.

SPEAKER_13 56:13

No. He was flying across the United States when he felt a telepathic connection to his father dying in a Canadian hospital. He heard his father say he didn't know how to do this. Mark visualized walking up a staircase with his father toward a light. At the top, they were greeted by Mark's grandmother. His father hugged her, turned to Mark, and told him he didn't know it was this easy. One woman hadn't spoken to her ex-husband in over a decade. One day she suddenly felt his presence. She heard his voice in her mind. He thanked her for the years they'd shared. She texted her daughter right away. Her daughter said her father had just died. A bond she thought was broken reached across the years and the miles to say thank you and to say goodbye. Peters also collected cases involving children as young as three or four. They had no cultural framework for a shared death experience. But at the moment a grandparent or parent died, they described seeing a light mist come out of the body. Then the mist transformed into a figure. In some cases, the children accurately described dead relatives they'd never met. A four-year-old described her dead grandfather down to the scar on his left hand. She'd never met him. She'd never even seen a photo of him. Nurses, doctors, hospice workers, the people closest to death were seeing things they couldn't explain. And for decades, they kept it to themselves. They didn't realize that shared death experiences happen all the time. Then everything stopped. The room around her disappeared. She could feel everything the patient was feeling, including his pain. Though he couldn't speak, she heard him.

SPEAKER_09 58:11

Leave me alone. I just want to go. Let me die in peace. Please. Just let me die.

SPEAKER_13 58:21

She snapped back to reality, and she didn't tell anyone for years. Instead, she spent the next five years conducting her own investigation. She published her findings in a book called The Wisdom of Near Death Experiences. This is more common than people think. In surveys of hospice workers, a high percentage report witnessing unexplained things at the moment of death lights, mist, presences, temperature changes. Most never say a word because they're worried about losing their job. Julie McFadden is a hospice nurse who's now an educator and advocate for end-of-life awareness. Her patient, Randy, was a younger man who pushed everyone away. McFadden's team helped him reconnect with distant relatives. He lived nine months longer than anyone expected. On the day Randy died, Julie stopped to see him one last time. He was unconscious. She silently walked to her car and thought, Goodbye, Randy. I hope you have a beautiful journey. Then suddenly, she heard him.

SPEAKER_07 59:14

Oh my gosh, Julie, wow. I wish you could see this.

SPEAKER_13 59:20

And she could feel what Randy was feeling.

SPEAKER_07 59:24

If only I had known how good this was gonna be, I wouldn't have been so afraid.

SPEAKER_13 59:31

It lasted about 30 seconds. Then her phone buzzed. Text from the nurse, Randy just passed away. Julie kept it secret for years until she realized these events were more common than she thought. Even pets showed deathbed behavior. Bruce Grayson documented dozens of cases of comatose dogs suddenly sitting up and wagging their tails, smiling at something unseen. A woman saw her dead cat sitting at the foot of her dying father's bed, purring. The cat had been gone for three years.

SPEAKER_10 59:58

How can we kill one of your cats to test this theory?

SPEAKER_13 1:00:01

Oh, you go before any of the cats. Peters found that many SDE experiencers waited decades to tell anyone. 30 years, 40 years. They thought no one would believe them. Healthcare workers were the most silent of all. And none of this required religion. Peters recorded cases of committed atheists who had SDEs and were shaken. They weren't looking for a spiritual experience. They got one anyway. One culture figured this out a thousand years ago. Tibetan Buddhists have a practice called pawa. This is where the living help guide a dying person through the transition. They report the same things: the light, the tunnel, the people on the other side. One of the oldest spiritual traditions on earth built an entire practice around something Western science is only now starting to take seriously. And they're not the only ones. There are eighth-century records of people witnessing a light while a monk passed away. Aboriginal Australians have traditions around communal dying. Community members gather and report shared spiritual experiences during death. This has been happening for as long as humans have been dying. We just stopped talking about it. But these experiences still won't convince skeptics. They don't want ancient legends or anecdotes. They want hard science. So let's give them that. A third group felt pulled into the experience, dragged into a tunnel or toward a light alongside the dying person. And the fourth, the rarest and most intense, felt they actively helped guide someone through. They walked them to the other side. The after effects were just as profound. 87% of experiencers became convinced of an afterlife. Not hopeful, convinced. Their grief didn't disappear, but it was put into context. The loss was real, but it was wrapped in something bigger. Their fear of death vanished. But SDEs didn't come out of nowhere. The broader science of consciousness of death had been building for years. In 2001, cardiologist Pim van Lammel published a study in The Lancet. He'd spent 13 years studying near-death experiences across 10 hospitals. His team tracked 344 cardiac arrest survivors. Every one of them had been clinically dead, heart stopped, brain flatlined. 18% reported near-death experiences. They were detailed and vivid. In someone who is supposed to be dead, Van Lummel came to a conclusion.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:57

These experiences occurred during a period of clinical death. No heartbeat, no brain activity, no blood flow. The clarity of consciousness was inversely related to the loss of brain function. That is the opposite of everything neuroscience predicts.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:24

She was a 26-year-old woman in a German institution for the severely mentally disabled. She never spoke a single word in her entire life. In the half hour before her death, she spontaneously began singing. Multiple staff members witnessed this. Michael Nahm and Bruce Grayson published the case study in 2014. A brain that never worked right suddenly worked perfectly fine at the moment of death. In 2023, two studies pushed the science even further. Samparnia's Aware 2 study at NYU monitored 567 cardiac arrest patients across 25 hospitals with portable EEG machines during active CPR. Hemoborgians team at the University of Michigan published in PENAS monitoring brain activity when ventilators were removed from comatose patients. Both studies found organized brain activity where there should be none. Parnia found gamma waves associated with higher consciousness up to an hour after the heart stopped.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:19

So that means the incredible Hulk, the best Avenger, operates on a higher level.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:23

Bruce Banner was exposed to gamma radiation, not waves. Oh, my sweet son of human.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:28

Gamma radiation travels as an electromagnetic wave. So check and me. I'm smarter than you.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:34

Actually, it's more of a wave particle duality. You see, in quantum mechanics.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:38

Just just stop. I'm sorry I even said anything.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:42

Borjan found surges of gamma oscillations in the 30 seconds to two minutes after ventilator removal. Specifically in the temporal parieto occipital junction, try saying that twice. The brain region associated with consciousness, dreaming, and out-of-body experiences. These weren't random spikes. The brain was producing organized thought patterns while it was supposed to be dead. And then there was the cross-cultural evidence. In the 1970s, researchers Carlos Osis and Erlender Haraldson conducted the biggest deathbed study anyone had ever done, surveying tens of thousands of cases across the United States and India. 50% of dying patients experienced deathbed visions. The visions were consistent across both cultures, despite completely different religious expectations. Hindu patients didn't always see Hindu deities. Christian patients didn't always see Jesus. The structure of the experience, the light, the beings, the overwhelming peace, that was the same regardless of what the person believed. If these experiences were just cultural expectation, the content would vary, but it didn't. We disagree on just about everything politics, religion, what's worth dying for. But when someone we love is dying, we all go quiet and we all feel the same thing. And maybe that's the point. Death isn't meant to separate us. It's the one thing we all share, and it's the one thing that brings us all together. For thousands of years in every culture on earth, people have been reporting shared death experiences. Some are nothing more than a feeling that their loved one is there in the room. Other experiences involve seeing, hearing, and even floating with someone who's passed away. But are we really seeing someone's soul or spirit, or is it just a shared hallucination based on expectation and triggered

Science Versus Skeptics On Afterlife

SPEAKER_13 1:06:39

by grief? Well, let's break down what's happening. The skeptical explanations are worth hearing. Shared psychosis is a real thing where people in high stress situations can unconsciously mirror each other's experiences. There's nothing more stressful than sitting next to someone as they die. Emotions are so overwhelming that the brain tries to make sense of something that can't be explained, something it doesn't want to deal with. Memory reconstruction is an even stronger argument. Every time you remember something, your brain edits the memory. Under extreme emotional stress, those edits get more dramatic. SDE experiencers may be unconsciously reshaping their memories to match patterns they learned about later. Confirmation bias is another problem. If you're sitting at a deathbed hoping for a sign, your brain might create one. Physicist Sean Carroll argues that life after death is incompatible with everything we know about modern physics. We're made of atoms, so when we die, it's like a candle being blown out. There's no way for consciousness to survive because there's nothing for it to survive in.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:49

That was pretty good.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:59

Skeptical investigator Joe Nichols says STEs are psychological coping mechanisms. When people remember the moment of loss, they introduce false memories to make it more bearable. A 2024 study in neuroscience of consciousness found strong overlap between near-death experiences and psychedelic experiences. The closest match was ketamine, then DMT. The human brain naturally produces DMT. Some researchers think the dying brain may release its own DMT. Now these are reasonable arguments. And for bedside STEs involving a single witness, they might be enough. But these explanations don't cover remote STEs. Annie Capp didn't know her mother was dying when she started choking. Mark didn't know his father was dying until he felt it. 64% of Peter's cases were remote. No shared grief, no shared room. The skeptical arguments don't explain multiple witness cases where people in the same room saw the same things. They don't explain children. A four-year-old hasn't been culturally primed about near-death experiences. When a child describes a dead relative they've never seen, down to physical details, expectation bias isn't enough. Then there's the cross-cultural consistency. If STEs were purely psychological, they'd vary across religions, but Hindu and Christian patients describe the same experience the same way. Italian, Mexican, Brazilian, and Taiwanese cultures are very different. But again, the reports are almost identical. Van Lummel, Peters, Parnia, Borgian, their studies are all peer-reviewed. They have data. But data doesn't mean proof. We still don't know the mechanism. We don't know how a healthy brain could share the experience of a dying one. We don't know why some people have SDEs and others don't. We can't predict them, induce them, or measure them in real time. What we know is this: thousands of people, nurses and doctors, friends and strangers, adults and children, atheists and people of faith, all reported experiences during someone else's death that changed them permanently. Most became convinced of an afterlife. Their grief didn't disappear, but it transformed, and they no longer fear death. So maybe SDEs are an elegant defense mechanism built into all of us. Our brains create a shared hallucination so powerful that it rewires grief into peace. Or maybe when someone dies, something actually happens, something real, something the person next to them or 5,000 miles away can feel. We can't prove the afterlife exists, but thousands of people have touched it, and every one of them came back changed. The evidence points to something more: a connection between the living and the dying, across rooms and across oceans. A four-year-old sees her grandfather's scar. A doctor in Utah sees a dead woman he's never met. A son in London feels his mother dying in Portland. Death may be neurological shutdown, or it may be a spiritual transition, or maybe it's something we haven't imagined yet. Whatever it is, it's not something we go through alone. Thousands of cases tell us that. And when it's time to go, someone's already there, waiting to walk us home.

Our Own Weird Memories And Signs

SPEAKER_19 1:11:22

Well, what did you think of that? That's pretty interesting. Have you ever had any memories that you thought weren't yours?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:29

You know, I mean, there's stuff that pops in my head that I I I don't know if it's like memory or just like just thought, but yeah, it's definitely different than I'm just like, where did that even frickin' come from?

SPEAKER_19 1:11:41

And I guess you know, so uh like I told you before when we were talking about it, I I've had thoughts of like being in I don't know if it's a shelter or like a bomb shelter or a fallout shelter or something, but I see like green, like lime green brick walls, right? And like a radiation symbol on a sign, and like I think about that stuff and like I don't know where I would see that. You know, and I I came I lived in a in a small town in northeast Colorado for a few years, and there was a lot of old buildings and stuff there, but what I'm seeing I wouldn't you know, I don't correlate with that same place. So I don't know. I my grandparents raised me and who knows, man. They were real close with me, and I was there when they, you know, pretty close when they passed and all that stuff. So it's like that's some weird stuff though. And you know, I've heard a lot about you know, like cats will like go and sit on somebody's lap before they die. Oh yeah, yeah. You've seen that in like old folks' homes and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:43

So it's like as a comfort it's kind of weird because uh as as a comfort thing that you know, cattle for some reason they say that yeah, it knows that you know, just let you sit, you know, sit there and let you pet it while you you know you kind of passed.

SPEAKER_19 1:12:57

Like they can see into your soul and know when it's gonna leave your body or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:01

Yeah, man. It's it's pretty true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_19 1:13:03

Well, and like the guy was saying when he was hovering above uh his friend. That one was like one that was actually passing.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:11

That one's creepy, you know, fucking astroplaning right with your friends.

SPEAKER_19 1:13:16

Yeah, and he's like, Hey man, it's all good. You know? Or like the grandpa was saying, I didn't, you know, I I don't think I can do this. You know, and then he goes up there, he's like, I didn't know it was this easy. You know, I've seen stuff from like I I can't find it, but it was a family guy thing where they were talking about like the whole reincarnation process. And he was like, All you gotta do is don't go into the light, and you can get out of this whole loop. Have you ever seen that?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:44

I don't think I've seen that one.

SPEAKER_19 1:13:46

If you guys know what I'm talking about, you know, put it in the comments, let me know. But it was something where he was like, you know, I keep getting dumped into this body. No matter what you do, man, you're gonna keep coming back. He's like, all you gotta do is don't go into the light. Avoid the light. Yeah, those those people, your your family that are saying, Come, come here, come back, don't do it. I can't remember which one. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_20 1:14:12

I don't want to go back to them. They're assholes.

SPEAKER_19 1:14:14

That's how you keep getting stuck in the loop. And if you did something wrong in this one, you come back as a dog next time or something like that. It's like, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:26

Like if it was like one of my dogs, it'd be kind of cool. My dog's pretty spoiled. Right? Yeah. I mean, my dogs get treats, so that's why I was like, but I don't know if I want to come back as one of those Korean farm dogs. I don't know what you're talking about. Korean farm dogs? Yeah. It's just like cow. Oh. Gotcha. They raising you to eat. Other other meat. Other meat. Sorry, I kind of went really far out there. So, but anyways.

SPEAKER_19 1:14:55

So, yeah, shared death experience.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:58

Don't eat your dogs.

SPEAKER_19 1:14:59

Don't. Don't don't just take them to the man society or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:04

But no, I mean, that's kind of weird. I mean, you know, uh we we all have uh our our thoughts and stuff like that on you know where we go after death and you know what uh crossovers and all that is. So uh like I said, I I don't know like you know, some of the some of the dreams and thoughts that I've had where where they come from or anything like that. And maybe it is from, you know, somebody that a relative that is reaching out and was like, hey, yeah, you know, consciously and stuff. It's we we just never know. I mean, you know, we see what's going crazy on in the world, but we just don't know the mysteries of it as well. So right.

SPEAKER_19 1:15:39

The world is full of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:40

Yeah, a big, big pot of energy. Right. So

Strange Fact Weather Whiplash

SPEAKER_02 1:15:44

yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:44

Strange facts you may have never known.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:53

All right. On January 22nd, 1943, the town of Spearfish, South Dakota experienced the wildest weather in history. At 7:30 a.m. It was a freezing negative four degrees. Two minutes later at 7.32, the Chinook winds kicked in, and the temperature instantly jumped to 45 degrees Fahrenheit. Cracking windows from thermal shock car windshields instantly frosted over and then shattered. It remains a world record for the fastest temperature change. Then just as quickly as it dropped back down to four degrees, and that's your strange fact. When was that? Uh 1943. January 22nd, 1943. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_18 1:16:48

That is crazy, man. Right? Why'd it get so hot? Huh? Why'd it get so hot so fast?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:53

The Chinook Windsor? That's what it says. The Chinook Windsor just kind of came in. They blew in for like a couple minutes and then went back down to negative four. Crazy. Mother Nature is an awesome, awesome.

SPEAKER_19 1:17:05

Where was that?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:06

South Dakota Spiritfish, South Dakota.

SPEAKER_19 1:17:10

Are there any nuclear test sites near that?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:13

Uh you know, I mean, I know there's nuclear uh That's weird, man, that a wind would do that. Well, it it was cold and then a Chinook wind came through. So, but yeah, I mean I it it's you know awkward. But yeah, I mean it, you know, it went from negative four to 43 degrees within two minutes. So crazy stuff, man. But I know I know that uh uh North Dakota and South Dakota, I know that it gets really, really cold there. Uh I've had I worked with a guy and he's like, yeah, if like in winter time, you have to wear goggles, otherwise your eyes will freeze open. Nice. I don't know about that. You can't see whoa, dude. Could you imagine? I I mean I guess it probably happens a lot, but still.

SPEAKER_19 1:17:57

How do they file insurance claims on their windshields and windows and stuff?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:01

You know, probably back then they didn't have that. And oh, well, you know, and it wouldn't matter anyways, because that would be considered an act of God, a way of the insurance getting out of paying you money. Fantastic. Fantastic, man. So yeah, that would probably actually, you know, they they would get out of it, be like, your windows, your windshields, all that. Well, blah, blah. Nope, nope, nope. God did that. Screw off.

SPEAKER_19 1:18:24

That's insane, man. All of your glass in your house just gone.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:30

Yeah, man. I mean, how dude, that would suck because then it would be like four degrees, dude. You're like, what the freak? Damn it. Yeah. Well, and you think back then it the windshields, like, they probably shattered. I don't think they that they had the uh the coatings and all that stuff like they do nowadays. Yeah. Glass was made different, you know. It wasn't uh it was I don't think it was tempered either. You know, just probably so now you're driving in negative four degrees without a windshield, so you're now it's like negative 20. Great.

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SPEAKER_02 1:19:50

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