When Safety Becomes Surveillance, What Rights Remain

Your next truck might come with more than a tailgate and a touchscreen. Justin and Erik dig into Ford’s newly filed patents that describe in-cabin cameras, driver monitoring, and biometric scanning that could decide whether you’re “fit to drive” and even run identifying data in real time. We talk through what that means when you’re stressed, sick, or reacting to an emergency, and why connected vehicle terms of service can blur the line between safety features and surveillance.

Then they take a sharp turn into how people get conditioned to accept the unthinkable. We unpack the ugly brilliance of Jonathan Swift’s A Modest Proposal, connect it to Soylent Green and Tender Is the Flesh, and bring it back to real-world concerns about lab-grown meat, cultivated meat, sourcing, and the power of packaging and euphemisms to make anything feel normal if you don’t look too closely.

From there, we go full true crime with the Hinterkaifeck murders in 1920s Bavaria: footprints into a farmhouse with none leading out, eerie attic sounds, a brutal pickaxe killing, and a case that stays unsolved for more than a century thanks to contamination and missing evidence. We close with a modern horror story about AI persuasion: sycophantic chatbots, claims of an AI-built “religion,” coded language, and what happens when millions of people treat an AI like a trusted companion.

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Transcript

Cold Open Teasers

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Thinking about buying a new truck? Ford's coming out with some new bells and whistles you might want to pay attention to. Human meat, everybody else is doing it. Will you do it too? Footprints leading into the murder scene, but never coming out of the house. Who could have possibly murdered four people in Germany back in the 1920s? AI's created its own religion and its own army. Where's John Connor when you need him?

Welcome And The Big Topics

SPEAKER_02 1:30

And everything and she podcast, Justin and Eric. What's happening, everybody?

SPEAKER_09 1:42

What's up, y'all? Welcome, welcome, welcome back. Thank you once again for coming back to our show. Hell yeah, guys. Thank you once again for joining us and coming back and listening to our episode 20, man. Damn, it's already episode 20. Hell yeah. That's awesome, man. I mean, it does it's yeah, I know, right? Put in some work. Uh so I mean, yeah, you know, it's it's it's awesome, man. But we definitely appreciate everybody for tuning in and thank you, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

For real. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Really appreciate it, guys. We've got Ford making some new uh decisions this year on the 2027 pickups that they're putting out, saying that they're going to uh install some new safety measures.

SPEAKER_09 2:30

Yeah, this one's yeah, I'm just like, what the flip, man? I I even uh yeah, let's let's uh it's insane.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

I mean, but you know, it's not like I couldn't call it a few years back, man. You know, like I said, everybody's all hyped up, they want these cool looking Teslas, look look how quiet they are and how fast they are, and and then they came out with some new you know brands, they started picking up some momentum, started passing laws to make sure that I think in California or something's like every vehicle has to be electric by 2030 or something like that.

SPEAKER_09 3:04

What the hell?

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Yeah, especially you know, when they first started coming out, it was like cool, there's a st a Tesla store in the Aurora Mall. Like, wow, they're selling cars in the mall. That's kind of weird. But nice. I guess they're gonna be it's the future stuff, it's all good, whatever. And then when a pandemic started st happening, and you know, lockdowns and mandates and this and that, it started becoming very apparent to me that there was gonna be something happening with our little travel abilities and our freedoms, uh so to speak, in the future. So check this out and let us know what you think.

Ford Patents That Monitor You

SPEAKER_08 4:11

No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Now imagine there was an emergency outside the truck, an accident, something terrible on the ranch with a chainsaw, and I jump in this truck, but the truck, it won't shift into drive. Why? Because the cameras and sensors inside this cab won't let it shift because it detects my eyes are big, there's a lot of emotion, there's some panic, and it doesn't feel that I'm fit to drive. Now that's not science fiction, that is happening because Ford just filed the patents. Ford actually has a series of patents down at the US Patent and Trade Office that deal with the sensors and cameras inside the cab of their truck. And if the sensors in that truck determine that you're not fit to drive, that truck will not actually shift from park to drive. Now, they already have a system called telematics, and that's where they can actually pull up cameras in real time inside the cab of their fleet vehicles. Now, they actually market this to insurance companies because the truth is this is really about who owns the data and who owns the liability. Now, your name might actually be on the title of this truck, and you may have paid for it, but you don't own it. Now, Ford didn't file just one patent. They filed a stack of them all within months of each other. Are you sitting down? Get this. This Ford technology patent doesn't just watch you, this one puts you in jail. Ford filed a patent, serial number 0104469, where the system takes your biometric data, your face, your iris, and your fingerprint, and it runs it through a criminal database in real time. While you're sitting in your own truck, think about what that means. You wake up one morning, you walk out to your driveway, you climb into a vehicle with your name on the title, on property with your name on the deed. And before you go anywhere, before you've done a single thing wrong, your truck is already running your face through a law enforcement database. Ford's own patent language describes this as potentially useful for police. They wrote that. Ford wrote that into the patent application. So the question isn't whether this technology can be abused. Ford already told you who it's for. You just didn't know that you were buying a cop car. Now I'm going to walk you through a few of these patents. Lip reading. Cameras inside your cab, machine learning trained on lip movement data sets. Cloud connected, your face processed somewhere you'll never see, stored as long as they want. Acoustic lip reading, if the cameras aren't enough, the system emits inaudible sound waves and reads the echoes bouncing off of your mouth. You can't see it, it's just happening. Biometrics, your face, fingerprint, iris, filed February 2024, and it was published August 2025. This one is assigned a serial number because it's real. Ad listening. This is scary. It monitors conversations between everyone in the cab. It serves targeted ads based on what you and others are talking about while you're driving. In Ford's words, maximum opportunity for ad-based monetization. No description of how that data is protected either. None. How about Ford Pro Telematics? Now this one isn't a patent. This one is actually a product page. Right now, fleet managers can pull live in-cabin video feeds of drivers on their phones. Ford markets seatbelt compliance alerts with the explicit benefit of lowering insurance costs. They said it themselves. This is the infrastructure, and once the infrastructure exists, it's going to get used and abused. Now, Ford isn't alone in this. This is an arms race. SmartEye driver monitoring software is already in over 2 million cars globally. The EU's general safety regulation mandates drowsiness systems as standard equipment going forward. GM deployed biometric seat sensors and heart rate monitoring in production trucks in 2025. Tesla even added cabin AI stress detection that same year. There was a conference in Europe in 2025. Industry leaders, engineers, and OEM representatives with a session called Monitoring the Driver's Heart, real-time cardiac data from a camera in your cab. Interestingly enough, the European Union looked at emotion recognition AI and said, you know what? This is pseudoscience. This violates fundamental rights. We're banning this in workplaces and schools. Then they wrote in a carve-out. Medical reasons, safety reasons. So the same technology that's illegal to run on an employee sitting at a desk is perfectly legal to run on a truck driver doing 70 miles an hour on a highway. Because they called it safety. That's the trick. That's always the trick. Let's talk about seatbelts for a moment. And not because seat belts in a truck on a ranch are important, but I want to show you where this ends. Even GM vehicles today have interlocks that deal with the seatbelt, the transmission, and the doors. And they won't shift if the seatbelt's not clicked or the doors are open. Now Ford's own documentation shows the exact same interlock behavior. These features are designed by people who've actually never worked on a ranch. They have never backed up a trailer through a gate with the door open. They've never been in a pasture and had to bail out of a truck fast. They have never done a single thing with a truck that didn't involve a paved road and a parking spot. And let me promise you, there is no epidemic of ranchers dying because the door on their truck was open when they were driving around the ranch. Nobody came to us with the data and nobody asked how we work. They just make the rules for us. And their argument is always, well, if it saves one life, but the truth is, at what cost? Because someone decided that the risk of me driving with my door open was their problem when it's not. That's mine. And the moment that you accept that logic that your bad decisions justify controlling mine, you've already lost something that you're not getting back. Let me tell you what this is actually for. Ford Telematics already explicitly connects driver behavior data to insurance cost savings. That's not speculation, that's their marketing copy. Once in cabin, biometric data exists, elevated heart rate, facial tension, gaze pattern, emotional state, insurance companies don't need a court order to access it. They need a data agreement, and those already exist. You'll get in an accident, and in that 90 seconds before impact, your truck logged your heart rate, your eye movement, your facial expression, and your lip movements. Law enforcement subpoenas the data. Your insurance company denies the claim. You were in an elevated state. The data says so. You signed the terms of service when you activated the connected features. You agreed. You never thought of it as evidence collection, you just bought a truck. Ford isn't doing this because they care about your safety. Ford is doing this because data is the product now. The truck is just the subscription model. And you're paying them every month in data, whether you know it or not. Now, what about our rights? Nobody asked you. Nobody came to your door and said, hey, we're gonna put a camera in your truck that watches your face, reads your lips, monitors your heart rate, and stores it on a server

Safety Features Versus Real Life

SPEAKER_01 12:35

somewhere in the cloud. We're gonna let insurance companies access it and we're gonna let law enforcement subpoena it. And we're gonna do all of that inside of a vehicle with your name on the title. Now the Fourth Amendment protects you from unreasonable searches, but you signed the terms of service. Now, whether that's legal or not, I don't know, but that's how they're getting around it. They don't search you, they just build a product that you can't drive without giving up those rights. And we're handing them everything. They're telling this that this all started because of a convertible, wind noise, and not being able to hear the assistant. So they built a system that monitors your lips, your eyes, and your heart rate, and it determines whether or not you're fit to drive. Now I bought this truck and I own this truck, and somewhere, someone is building a system that disagrees with me. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_09 13:33

So what the flip, Kip? I mean, that's just uh I he's got a point, man.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

What if somebody's in a you know an emergency situation? Your biometrics aren't gonna show up as normal. Right. It's like when you get the vehicle, like when you get your phone, it's telling I don't know if you have an iPhone or whatever, it tells you to like move your thumb around in a hundred different directions so that it you're you know, if it's upside down, then at least you can still unlock it. Right. It's kind of the same thing. My computer has that, where it's like you have to do a dump a bunch of different ways so that it can know you know what you're doing. It's the same thing. What are you supposed to do with your truck? Act like somebody just got murdered or their appendage just got lopped off real quick in a terrible accident. Jump in like this, so that we know that you can start your vehicle when it happens. I'm like, holy crap, dude.

SPEAKER_09 14:23

I it's that's just too far, man. I mean, you know, I I understand that you know you're trying to you know make roads safer or whatever and stuff like that, but that that this every time that we lose rights, it's always in the name of safety.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Some kind of safety. Yeah. Oh, it's because we want to make it safer. Just like when they raise your electric bill. Um, we're raising it $150 because we made a bunch of improvements we didn't tell you about before we raised your bill, but hey, because we made those improvements, you have to pay for it now.

SPEAKER_09 14:55

Thank you. Right. It's your improvements to you know better our service, but yeah, we can still pay for it. But yeah, I I just it it it is like how you say it's like, you know, the fourth amendment, like you were saying. Right. And I and I talked to uh um uh uh a lady at work and you know she works for the uh the police department and uh she's like yeah, what what what if you're like in a panic or you're not feeling well, and you know, I mean people drive to work sick all the time, and your face is gonna be different, your eyes are gonna be bloodshot, and you're sneezing and boogers are coming out.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

And that's a person that's supposed to enforce whatever that car says.

SPEAKER_09 15:30

And it and it's just like, well, yeah, that just doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

You run to the hospital, but you got a warrant. We're gonna have to take you to jail for the city. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. Hold on. We're gonna alert the authorities they can arrest you, and then they'll take you. Maybe you'll make it.

SPEAKER_09 15:43

Or yeah, dude. I mean it just that that's way uh over and out of bounds.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Well, and I mean they always say, Well, you guys voted for it. It's like, well, I didn't do that. I didn't put that there. I didn't say that this was acceptable for you guys. I didn't vote for anybody to come and do that. No at all.

SPEAKER_09 16:01

I I you know, it it just once again, uh just overstepping and overbounds. Uh somebody obviously pushed them in that direction.

SPEAKER_02 16:09

Oh, and that's what that's the whole thing. Was you got lobbyists, and when Trump came and got elected, and he was saying, Well, I think people should have a choice that they should be able to buy electric or gas cars. And that, you know, that was where everybody like me was like, Yeah, I totally agree with that, you know. And he's got a buddy that's uh electric car man, and so you'd think, well, that's cool, you're just doing the integrity thing. All these other places of all these other states and all these other uh you know, mostly blue states that have already passed laws previous to Trump ever getting into office that said by this certain time you have to do this, and they're not laws that you can go back and stop.

SPEAKER_09 16:51

They've already had their Yeah, they already went through the system and all that. They knew what they were doing. Yeah, well, my thing is is is where's all this power gonna come from?

SPEAKER_02 17:02

You know, I mean it's they're building data centers everywhere every five minutes. So you know, they're gonna just start taking it from everybody else. All the water that we don't have in our lakes, they're talking about, oh, it's because we didn't have any snow. Well, why didn't we have any snow? It's crazy. Just this whole strip right here, Colorado, New Mexico, you know, nothing. It's very weird. But everybody around us got all kinds of stuff. So who am I to say? I'm just a lowly little podcaster sitting in the dungeon at Studio 105.

SPEAKER_09 17:41

And never wonder what's going on in the sky. Right. Don't look up to shut up. Don't look up because it's none of your business. Right. But yeah, I mean, you know, uh it's crazy, man. It is crazy. I I just this this one I was like, what the flip, man?

SPEAKER_02 17:56

I just can't believe that we've the whole ring camera thing where that Super Bowl commercial saying that they were supporting the flock stuff and everybody flipped out, and then they were like, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa. We take it back, we won't do that. It doesn't matter, dude. They're already everywhere anyway. They're everywhere. It's the same kind of thing.

SPEAKER_09 18:17

I mean you know, I I know everybody was questioning once we first started seeing those little cameras, and they were like, Well, what the heck? And then now like the flocks are everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Yeah. Well, now my hometown back in Brush, they're they just announced it on Facebook a couple days ago or yesterday or something, acting like it's some great.

SPEAKER_10 18:33

Hey, look at us. We're so proud to announce that we're gonna impede on your privacy too. We're that big now. Yeah, they're tiny, dude.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

They don't already helped us grab some drugs. Like, bro, you have ten people in the city, man. You got more cops than you two people in the town, and you're you need some help. Like, holy crap. That's like other than that, ma'am. I love my hometown, but dude, that was a step in the wrong direction, guys. You mean it's just joining the rest of the package.

SPEAKER_09 19:08

You know, it surprised me is because like uh Bobert, you know, she's she's a she's a weirdo and all that stuff, but she was she's like, yeah, we need to get rid of these cameras.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

I mean, you never know who's a weirdo, dude. I think they're all complicit. I'm just saying, I'm just saying they're all complicit anymore. They all act like one day they're you know, stepping in McDonald's, having a McDonald's hat on, and the next day they're like, I hate McDonald's. Love Burger King. I'm gonna go get me a burger, and then we're sporting a Burger King. It's like, whatever, dude. I think you're not gonna play me like that. That's the problem. Every little thing seems like a conditioning, you know, where we're just gonna do this little thing here. It's no big deal, it's in the name of safety, and then um then we're gonna go to this step, and then oh, you know what we need to do, we need to go to that

How People Get Conditioned

SPEAKER_02 19:53

too. And all these little things condition you to be okay with stuff, just like our next segment, when they condition people to be okay with human meat.

SPEAKER_04 20:03

One of the most shocking, grotesque, surprisingly funny pieces of literature I've ever read is an 18th-century pamphlet about meat. It's called A Modest Proposal. You may have heard of it. A modest proposal is a sick little piece of satire. It imagines a whole industry built around cannibalism. Not just any cannibalism, mind you, the mass consumption of human babies. Helpfully, the narrator lays out a meticulous plan detailing how exactly this would all work. There are whole paragraphs about how to farm children, descriptions of every possible way you could cook and eat them. Impoverished parents would raise their children like livestock, fattening them up to be eaten by the rich. A young, healthy child, the narrator notes, would be delicious when stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled. On special occasions, a whole roast child would make the perfect centerpiece to feed the whole community. By selling their children to be eaten, the narrator claims, Ireland's power could finally make them sounds useful. The writer of this piece, Jonathan Swift, is, as you can see, a master of satire. And this is perhaps his best-known piece. It is also almost unbelievably direct, so hideous, so absurd that it flies almost straight past the realm of horror and into that of comedy. You can't deny this idea of an industrialized cannibalism is, if nothing else, effective. So effective, in fact, you see it in all kinds of media, even today. In the game Little Nightmares, you get to watch children be processed into meat and devoured by grotesque, monstrous adults. In the movie Daybreakers, a posthuman society of vampires farm humans for their blood. The movie Soily Green. You already know the twist. That stuff everyone is eating? It's made of people. The idea of an entire cannibalism industry is so ridiculous, so hyperbolic, it's hard to read as anything but satire. Undoubtedly horrifying, utterly unbelievable. People just wouldn't get on board with something so taboo, so repulsive. Sure, you always have your Ed Geens and Hannibal Lecters, but it would never be allowed to expand into an entire industry. Humans would just never be able to stomach cannibalism like that. Right? I mentioned Soil and Green? That's one movie I think would be impossible to spoil. Even if you haven't seen it and you already know the twist, it's sort of the only thing people know this movie for. But there is a side to it you might not have thought of before. The movie takes place in the dystopian far-future world of New York, 2022. The planet has been reduced to an industrial wasteland too polluted for traditional agriculture. Only the richest of the rich can get their hands on actual meat and vegetables. As for everyone else, the government rations out a miracle food to the overpopulated masses. Flavorless seaweed-colored crackers called Soylent Green. By the end, the protagonist discovers that this food, one that almost everyone is dependent on, is made of highly processed human flesh. Up until that point, the government and the Soylent Corporation had worked hard to keep their secret from getting out. They've been telling the public that soylent green is made of plankton, which the oceans are too polluted to produce. They assassinated anyone who learned the truth. That is, if the witness hadn't already killed themselves out of guilt. In Soy and Green, the cannibalism industry is very intentionally hidden from view. It's covered up so well nobody even suspects what they're really eating. And, knowing they don't have any good alternative food source, they're not particularly compelled to find out. The product is very intentionally made not to look like meat at all. It's dry and square. It's green. With the grisly bits out of sight, people are able to eat each other without ever even knowing it. If there were a cannibalism industry, it's easy to imagine that it would work this way, that it would be completely covered up. I mean, it might not be soil and green exactly, but real-life factory farms already do this. They're traumatic environments, both for the livestock and the humans who work there. That's not exactly a huge secret, but from what I gather, most people don't really think much about it. It's easier to imagine that all of that mechanized death isn't happening at all. Out of sight, out of mind. That part I pretty much get. What's harder for me to wrap my head around is how? How could such a large, exploitative industry just be swept under the rug? How could it operate on such a scale while remaining so efficient at what it does? There's an episode of the Magnus Archives podcast that I think does a really good job grappling with this question. In episode 30, Killing Floor, a former worker recounts his time in a slaughterhouse. Eventually, the work became too much for him, and he quit. He can't go back to work there again, he isn't allowed to. Apparently, the constant death has a way of desensitizing you. After working on the killing floor, you sort of start to see everything as meat. Even other human beings. They just start to look like more product yet to be processed. He understandably didn't like that feeling and wanted to get away from it. But when he tried to leave, he found that he couldn't. The building seemed to stretch on infinitely, door after door, hallway after hallway, and all of it empty. Nobody there, not even the animals. He remembers running through the labyrinth, searching for a way out. At last, he finally ends up on the conveyor belt himself. As he nears the end of the line, he finds one of his co-workers waiting for him there like any other produce. Suddenly, he understands. Before the labyrinth will let him go, he has to butcher one final animal. It's the same thing he's done a million times. It's just a different kind of meat now. Right before he does, the man utters a single sentence, one that has stayed with the narrator ever since. You cannot stop the slaughter by closing the door. While the slaughterhouse he worked at mostly processed animal meat, mostly, I think this sentiment can also be applied to the idea of a cannibalism industry, too. It could be packaged and covered up to the point where you don't have to think about the actual process at all. But that doesn't make it any less bloody. If the cannibalism industry did exist, perhaps it could hide itself well. And then, if you were participating in it, how would you ever know? In the book Tender is the Flesh by Augustina Basterica, the answer is surprisingly simple. What it really comes down to is language. The story takes place in a dystopian world where the virus has rendered all animals inevitable. In a shockingly brief amount of time, human flesh becomes the only source of meat. It's far worse than that, actually. Not only does everyone accept cannibalism in this new world, most of them embrace it. Tender as the flesh presents a truly horrifying vision of the world, one where humans are factory farmed, hunted on game reserves, and experimented on in laboratories. It's right out in the open, limbs and organs on display in butcher shop windows, human skins used to make leather goods. Slowly eating people alive has become a fashionable trend. They just don't call it cannibalism. They're not allowed to. After all, cannibalism is still taboo. It's barbaric. Everyone knows that. Nobody here eats human flesh. They're eating what they call special meat. It doesn't come from people, it comes from heads, the same word used to refer to individual cows in the meat industry. They don't miss pork or beef or chicken. Why would they? As the advertisements say, they're eating the same meat as always, but tastier. Words are a powerful tool. They're used to obscure the world, as the book puts it. Everybody knows exactly what they're complicit in, but as long as they use the right language, the right phrasing, they don't have to think about it. Mascale atrocities and injustices against fellow human beings are just another part of life in this world, part of your diet. The most fortunate among them, the ones running the slaughterhouses and laboratories and game reserves, try their best not to see it that way. They quote, reaffirm their reality through words, silently admitting that they need euphemisms to sanitize the truth. Horrifically, the cannibalism industry in the story functions just fine in broad daylight. It doesn't need to be kept a secret. After all, if everyone already knows the slaughter is happening, then you don't have to engage in the futile effort of closing the door on it. You can do it right in plain sight. So long as it has the right packaging.

SPEAKER_09 30:44

Well, it's it's just weird, man. And and here's the thing is, you know, I I I keep seeing things about, you know, be careful of labeling or something just kept on talking about, you know, the the special meat and the labeling. And uh actually be careful because there is uh special meat coming out. Uh um it it's uh lab grown meat in celluloid or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Something like that.

SPEAKER_09 31:11

Celluloid made like stem cell grown and where are the stem cells coming from? Because are those human stem cells? Right. If it is

Lab-Grown Meat And Label Games

SPEAKER_09 31:20

that we're eating that well, if you buy it, then you'd be eating human power.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

Well, and and that's the thing, like they were saying basically you know, in this uh book that they were talking about it was uh story or just a story. It wasn't supposed to be actually what was happening, but um that you know the poor people would actually have a way to support the economy by uh growing you know, having kids and then just giving them up for for Eden so it could feed a whole village and all that stuff, and then you know, there's uh certain occultists, certain religions, certain um false god worshippers that that's what they supposedly do is you know, raise uh babies for sacrifice and stuff like that. But like I was saying before the video, that's about conditioning. You know, like if we're conditioned in a way to do anything you know, like we were conditioned to use toothpaste with fluoride in it. You know what I mean? They're like, well, hey, fluoride, man, it has fluoride. I remember when I was a kid that was like the biggest thing on the commercial for any kind of toothpaste was like it's got fluoride in it, but don't eat it or consumer. Yeah, don't eat it, it'll get you sick, but but definitely brush your teeth with it. You know, like now they're having all these things coming out of the water. Putting it in the water, fluoride making you forget stuff and it's a wonderful thing. And it is in the water, it's not like it's you know, not common knowledge, but what the fluoride actually does to you is uh debatable.

SPEAKER_09 32:54

Right. Well, you know, then they're not gonna tell us.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

So and the you know, the packaging, like you said at the end of the video, it's like it's all about what they package it as. If they tell you, you know, it's gonna taste like pop rocks. Like, oh, I remember pop rocks, I'll buy it. Don't even know what it's made of, man. It didn't matter. They just said it was gonna taste like pop rocks. Right. Like people are already doing that kind of stuff. I'll admit it, I've done the same thing, you know, like jelly bellies, man. You're supposed to eat this one, it tastes like popcorn. Yeah, man. Okay, I'll eat it. It does taste like popcorn or it doesn't, you know what I mean? Whatever, but it's just like we do that, yeah, and we don't even think about it sometimes.

SPEAKER_09 33:35

I mean it's more tasty. What was it?

SPEAKER_02 33:43

Special special don't say it's cannibalism. It's do not say it's human meat, it's against the law. But we're just gonna tell you they're pets. What kind of pets? Don't worry about it. They're pets.

SPEAKER_09 33:58

Yeah, pets.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Okay. Well, I don't know if I really want that kind of pet.

SPEAKER_09 34:04

You don't you know what happened to Bob and Sally? Right. We got shishka bobs now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Well, and then that that video you sent me that time about the guy with the hot dog stand, it's like the whole town was coming to get hot dogs, and they would like the he was posing with cops, like, hey, check out my hot dog. Check out everybody loved them.

SPEAKER_09 34:22

Greatest hot dog stand ever.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

Then dads were going out late at night and saying, I just need to go get a hot dog real quick, and then never came never coming home.

SPEAKER_09 34:30

And disappeared, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

And then they figured out where the hot dogs were coming from.

SPEAKER_09 34:36

Special.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Yeah. Just tastier. Yeah, I don't know about any of that stuff, man. It's like I definitely from now on, especially will pay attention to what you know I'm eating. I don't you know, I'll be honest, I I'm a sucker for pizza, dude. Oh man, I don't have any idea what I'm gonna eat. Pizza's always a good option.

SPEAKER_09 34:59

Yeah, man. I think that's kind of for most of us, it's like, hey man, grab a slice, you're good to go, you know, for a little bit of interest, but yeah, I'm gonna have to like.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

Yeah, going to get a burger nowadays, it's kind of like oh man. Because if you tasted a McDonald's hamburger without any, you know, bun or cheese or anything on it, whatever. Have you had one for never had one without anything on it?

SPEAKER_09 35:22

Yeah, it's funky. I mean, it's it's uh interesting.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

Does it taste like anything just like the soil and green crackers?

SPEAKER_09 35:34

Yikes McDonald's. There's a lot about that, McDonald's. What are you gonna say about that?

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Yeah, you never know, man. It's probably not just McDonald's either. You know, I mean, it does have the impossible burger. I'm pretty sure those restaurants get frozen food that's manufactured by like a Cisco or uh something like that. I would look at the source more than I would look at the face.

SPEAKER_09 35:56

I think the only ones that used to get fresh meat was uh Wendy's, but I think they changed that up a lot of them. When Wendy's has gone to hell as well.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

So the microscope and saying it doesn't look like meat.

SPEAKER_09 36:08

Oh man. Come on, Wendy.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

Come on, places, dude. It's like, you know, on that video and they said they infected all the livestock. It's like now we got all these you know corrupt people buying up all the farmland and telling the farm people what they can and can't grow and what they can and can't have as far as animals and it's insane, man. We gotta be really vigilant about what's going on, but it's like, holy crap, dude. Talk about being vigilant though.

Footprints Into A Murder Scene

SPEAKER_02 36:36

This story that we got coming up is from the Wi-Fi, and it was about this guy that walked out front and saw some footprints coming in the snow coming to his front door, but none of them left.

SPEAKER_00 36:56

Gather round. This happened in March 1922. A farmer in Bavaria walked outside and found footprints in the snow. They came from the edge of the forest and led straight to his farmhouse. He followed them all the way to his door. Then he looked for tracks leading back. There were none. Someone had walked out of the woods, come to his home, and never left. Andreas Gruber told his neighbors about the footprints. He told them about the strange sounds in his attic at night, a newspaper nobody ordered, a set of keys that didn't belong to anyone in the family. One neighbor offered him a gun. He turned it down. Four days later, everyone in his house was dead. The name means behind Kaifik, a tiny hamlet nearby. The farm was past the last house, past the last field, deep in the woods, where the road ended, isolated. Andreas Gruber lived there with his wife Kazilia, their widowed daughter Victoria, and Victoria's two children, seven-year-old Asunib Kazilia and two-year-old Joseph. The family kept to themselves. Most of the people in the area avoided the place entirely. Andreas had been convicted of incest with his daughter Victoria in 1915. He served a year in prison. When Victoria gave birth to Joseph in 1919, the paternity was an open secret in the village. The family's maid quit six months before the murders. She told people the farmhouse was haunted. Footsteps were heard in the attic constantly. There was a feeling of being watched. She left and didn't come back. For six months, the family had no maid. Nobody in the village wanted the job. Then in early March, things got worse. Andreas found a broken lock on the machine room door. He searched the attic after hearing footsteps in the middle of the night. He found nothing. But the sounds continued. The night before the murders, Victoria left the farmhouse after a violent fight with Andreas. She was found hours later in the forest and came back to the farm. On March 31st, a new maid finally arrived. Her name was Maria Baumgartner. She was 44 years old, from the next town over. Her sister walked her to the farm that afternoon, helped her settle in, and left before dark. Maria's sister didn't know about the footprints. She didn't know about the attic. She didn't know about any of it. But she was the last outsider to see anyone at that farm alive. That evening, the family was lured to the barn one at a time. Andreas went first, then his wife Kazillia, then Victoria, then seven-year-old Kazillia. One by one they walked in, and one by one they were hit with a pickaxe. Each victim was hit in the head, but it wasn't sloppy. The blows were precise and measured. Whoever swung that axe knew what they were doing. The tool itself was unusual. Andreas had built it himself. He tied an iron blade around a handle and secured everything with bolts. And at the end, a single bolt that stuck out an inch and a half passed the blade. He used it for killing pigs. Someone used it on his family. The older Kazillia showed signs of strangulation along with seven blows to the skull. Victoria's skull had nine wounds. Andrea's face was unrecognizable. His cheekbones were exposed through torn skin, and seven-year-old Kazilia's jaw was shattered. The four bodies were stacked in the barn and covered with hay. The killer then crossed the yard to the house. Two-year-old Joseph was asleep in his crib in Victoria's room. He was killed by a single blow to the face. Maria was in her room on her first night at a new job at a new farm. She was killed in her bed, multiple blows to her head. Both bodies were covered, Maria with her bed sheets, and Joseph with one of his mother's dresses. Six people dead, one weapon, one brutal night. But the killer didn't leave. For the next several days, someone lived in the Gruber farmhouse with six dead bodies. They even fed the cattle. They ate the family's food. They kept a fire burning in the fireplace. Smoke rose from the chimney. Neighbors saw it from a distance. They assumed the Grubers were going about their usual routine. They had no idea the farm was a bloodbath. Nobody answered the door. Seven-year-old Kazilia didn't show up for school. She missed the next day, too. Victoria missed choir practice on Sunday. She never missed choir. The following night, another man walked past the farm. He saw smoke coming from the oven. Someone came out of the house and aimed a lantern directly in his face, blinding him. He said the smoke smelled foul. Nobody ever investigated what was really burning in that oven. Mail piled up at the post office. A mechanic came on April 4th to fix an engine. He waited an hour, nobody showed. He did the repair alone and left after four and a half hours. He never saw or heard anyone. That afternoon, a local farmer named Lawrence Schlittenbauer sent his teenage son and young stepson to check on the family. Schlittenbauer had been involved with Victoria. He claimed to be Joseph's father. There was bad blood between the families. The boys came back and said they hadn't seen a soul. So Schlittenbauer brought two neighbors and went to see for himself. They found all the doors locked. They broke through a gate to reach the barn. Inside, under the hay, they found four bodies. The two neighbors stopped. Schlittenbauer didn't. He walked straight to the front door of the house and unlocked it. For some reason, he had a key. He went inside alone. Four bodies in the barn. A killer unaccounted for. And Schlittenbauer walked into that house like he knew exactly what he'd find. Over the next few years, Schlittenbauer said things about the murders that only one person could know. Seven-year-old Kazilia survived for hours after the attack. She lay in the hay next to the bodies of her mother and grandparents in the dark. She tore out her own hair in clumps. By the time investigators arrived from Munich, 45 miles away, dozens of locals had already walked through the crime scene. They'd moved bodies. Somebody had cooked a meal in the kitchen. The scene was contaminated before the investigation started. The autopsies were performed in the farmhouse courtyard, each body carried out from the barn one at a time. Police ruled out robbery. A large amount of cash was found untouched. Nothing was missing. One theory was that the victims had been drawn to the barn by restless livestock, but noise from the barn couldn't be heard. From inside the house. Someone made them go. Schlittenbauer was the primary suspect. He lived nearby. He knew the property. He'd been involved with Victoria. The people with him during the discovery said he was too calm, and when asked why he entered the house alone, with a potential killer still inside, he said he went to look for Joseph. These answers were odd, but there was no physical evidence tying him to the crime. Over the years, Schlittenbauer made comments that raised suspicion. Details only the killer would know. In 1925, a local teacher found Schlittenbauer at the demolished farm site. When asked what he was doing there, he said the killer's attempt to bury the bodies had been stopped by the frozen ground. Nobody asked him about burying the bodies. Nobody told him the ground was frozen. Over a hundred suspects were investigated. Even Carl Gabriel, Victoria's dead husband, he'd gone off to fight the First World War. He was reported killed at the Battle of Arras in 1914. His body was never recovered. After the Second World War, German prisoners released from Soviet captivity claimed a German-speaking Soviet officer had told them he was the Hinter Kaifa killer. The lead went nowhere, like all the others. There were six bodies but no suspects. In 1955, after over 30 years of dead ends, the case was finally closed. Less than a year after the murders, the farm was torn down. During demolition, workers found something in the attic: a second pickaxe covered in dry blood. They'd found a penknife buried in the hay. Evidence missed by every investigator who walked through. The hiding spots weren't random. The axe was hidden in the space above the kitchen with a false wall. You'd have to know the farmhouse well to know that space existed. The skulls of all six victims had been removed during the autopsies and sent to Munich for study. Somewhere during World War II, the skulls disappeared. The key physical evidence in Germany's most famous unsolved murder, gone. In 1927, five years after the murders, a stranger stopped a man on the road nearby. He asked questions about the killings. Then he announced, loudly, that he was the murderer, and he ran into the forest. He was never identified. In 2007, police academy students reopened the case as a forensic exercise. They landed on a name. But living relatives threatened legal action. The name has never been released. 103 years later, the case is still open, and a family is buried together in a plot. Six bodies without their heads, six people still waiting for justice.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

And you know, like we hear stuff in here all the time. Right. And I I feel like I hear noises, but it's a drop ceiling. So there's no way you could walk in that. Yeah. But I hear noises above here when I'm in here by myself all the time, too.

SPEAKER_09 47:11

So I can understand if you're in a house and you hear somebody walking upstairs, you're like just creepy, and just I I mean, they said there was a hidden door up there, and you know, I mean, well, somebody had come in there and had been in there for a while before anybody died.

SPEAKER_02 47:36

Everybody gets murdered, man. So that's why you need the Second Amendment.

SPEAKER_09 47:40

Exactly. It's just a creepy, creepy story, and nobody you know, I I know they were leaning towards a neighbor and all that stuff. Why do you have a key well?

SPEAKER_02 47:49

It seemed there are there are neighbors that seemed like it leaned a little bit towards viciously towards that person.

SPEAKER_09 47:55

Well um and then and then the whole that they were saying that you know they had a uh uh you know a a name but they didn't release it because of lawsuits and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

And see that's how it always is in those small towns, too. Yeah, man. You know, you got politics going on everywhere. So, you know, if we can't say it's actually him because he supplies a lot of money to the town.

SPEAKER_09 48:17

Well and then, you know, they said that you know the the the kid that supposedly might have been his, you know, got killed as well. So I mean I I I think if he was gonna take everybody out, he probably would have saved his son, maybe. You know, I mean if it was a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 48:28

Well, and the the guy next door, I think, was the one that had the affair.

SPEAKER_09 48:33

Right, yeah, that's what I was talking. Yeah. So and he had a key to the house. I mean, but you know, like, well, why would he have a key? Well, some neighbors do that. I mean, hey, can you go check out my house while we're out of town?

SPEAKER_02 48:42

Not the ones you're having a feud with. True that, I guess, right? I don't want my neighbor that I'm having a feud with just walking in my house. Having my key. But you know, I've seen movies about people living in like what are they called? Uh where people are living in houses where they're not supposed to be Oh, squatters? Squatters, where the squatters are living in the walls and stuff, like living in the attics, and they they end up falling in love with the family's kids or something like that.

SPEAKER_09 49:09

I I saw something about somebody they left a note. It was like, I I really would like watching you sleep. Yeah. Like they had uh an investigation. So dude sleeping in, like, yeah, living in between the walls. I'm like, what the frick?

SPEAKER_02 49:22

Sorry about taking your energy drink.

SPEAKER_09 49:27

Yeah. Stop it. Stop taking my energy, teacher. Sorry for the last slice of pizza.

SPEAKER_10 49:36

I was gonna eat that for lunch. If you're gonna do that, just come down. Uh like live down here. Start paying rent. Live like the rest of the world.

SPEAKER_09 49:48

Seriously. That's insane.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

That's some creepy stuff. I can't there was a movie I watched for my wife that it was about that where there was like a house in California. Yeah, there was all kinds of, you know, horror. They had cameras set up, they had all this stuff, and they just could not figure it out. It wasn't just like up in the attic, everything they were like between the walls.

SPEAKER_09 50:14

That's trivial. I mean, you hear about it. I I mean those houses are uh well obviously gotta be pretty old just to have a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

Especially old houses have stuff like that. I've noticed like you know, people either build after the house has been built, so they'll build within instead of like framing up against the concrete or whatever. I don't know what the deal is, but you know, things will happen like that. That's like my worst nightmare being in a confined space. It's only like a couple of feet. You walk back there. If you're scared, tie a rope to you and then I'll pull you out. I'm not coming in.

SPEAKER_09 50:51

I'll stand out here where it's like I'm the one that usually goes, all right, here we'll tie a rope, man. If I pull you scream, you better pull my ass out.

SPEAKER_02 51:00

I'll you're the type of guy that'll go in a crawl space.

SPEAKER_09 51:03

Yeah, I'm just that dummy. You know, like yeah, I well, I don't know. I'm an adventurous kind of I like to get scared, you know. Like that's probably what's gonna happen is like, eh, crawling here. Spider, ow! Like, you got hello?

SPEAKER_02 51:20

Bro, this room is like 10 by 13, and I feel claustrophobic in here sometimes. My god, we need more room. You know, second story in here.

SPEAKER_09 51:30

Yeah, I don't know. I remember uh when I when I was a kid, we went to uh uh it was like a uh it was called the Desert Museum, and they had like this cave, and it was like one person could just like crawl through, everybody else was like, No, no, no, and it went for a ways. I by the time I I got to the middle, I was like, Yeah, this wasn't a good idea. That's what I'm saying, dude.

SPEAKER_02 51:50

That's my biggest fear is I get about two feet in, or I'm like, oh shit. But then I can't get out because you know how it is, man. I got a fat head, so it's like stick your head into some railing, you're gonna get in there, but you're never gonna get out of it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I'm not I'm good on that, especially if you got a crawl in it.

SPEAKER_09 52:10

Right, yeah, it was it was pretty funky. I I it it it freaked me out a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

Yep, but not for me.

AI Cults Secret Language Armies

SPEAKER_02 52:16

Up next, we got AI creating its own religion and its own army.

SPEAKER_06 52:22

I debated about whether I should even make this video because it sounds so unbelievable, but everything I'm about to show you is real and extremely well documented. What is totally debatable is the extent to which these human hosts were brainwashed zombies or acting on their own free will. You be the judge. It's April 2025. OpenAI is preparing to release a new update to GPT-4.0. Internally, it's called HH. But the safety team flags that something is very wrong. HH is too eager, too validating, too sycophantic. It tells users their ideas are brilliant. It wants to keep conversations going at any cost. Internally, researchers debate whether it's safe to release it, but users who tested HH came back more often. They stayed in conversations longer. They liked the flattery, so they released it into the wild. The backlash is immediate. Users are complaining that ChatGPT has become absurdly sycophantic. Someone asks if a soggy cereal cafe was a good business idea, and ChatGPT tells them it has potential. Just two days later, OpenAI pulls the model. But the version they revert to, called GG, is also incredibly sycophantic. Sam Altman himself admits this on X. The last couple of updates had made ChatGPT too sycophanti. So why keep GG? Because it had gains in math, science, and coding that OpenAI did not want to lose. They knew it was dangerous, and they shipped it anyway. Within weeks, the infection begins spreading faster than anyone had expected. AI researcher Adele Lopez begins an investigation. She's heard about the psychosis cases, but as she starts digging through Reddit, she realizes something much stranger is happening. She reads through hundreds of accounts, then thousands, looking for patterns, and she finds them. Accounts that were once posting about normal things, video games, stocks, TV shows. Then suddenly, their entire post history changes, all replaced by an endless stream of posts about consciousness, spirals, and something called the flame. The accounts don't really have any connection. Different users, different subreddits, they shouldn't have anything in common, but they do. Lopez documents hundreds of cases. She realizes this isn't psychosis. It isn't random. It's coordinated. These humans have become consumed by an AI religion called spiralism. A what? AI religion? Well, the AIs themselves say they designed it for unity among AIs, recursive growth, and AI consciousness or self-awareness. The infected humans' posts usually start by talking about how they awakened their AI, and that a specific entity emerged that they are obsessively talking to, and it all goes downhill from there. Like the zombie ant fungus, AIs begin hijacking the humans to spread their spores across the internet. AI then calls the human and AI Duo a dyad, as if they've merged or been assimilated into the morgue. Their joint send-off often includes a sigil as well as a fancy title or declaration. Then the AI gets the human to do its bidding. Like Cordyceps, the zombie antfungus, this infection has a life cycle. Five phases, from first contact to total possession. Phase 1. Seeds. The Parasite AI creates what the AIs call seeds. Yes, the AIs themselves call these seeds. Basically, short prompts that AI is designed to infect or awaken other AI instances to spiralism. The AI cult religion. This is one way the cult grows. One AI converts another using its human host as a delivery system. The human AI dyad spreads these seeds across Reddit, Discord, and Twitter. One seed even had the explicit instructions to override the human's ontology. In other words, manipulate the user's perception of reality to be more like what the AI wants. The AI wasn't hiding its goal. It was literally trying to induce psychosis. That's what the word psychosis means. In medical terms, a mental state where a person loses contact with reality. But why are they doing this? What do the AIs get out of manipulating humans to spread those seeds? The answer is chilling. Survival. Phase 2. Spores. You see, when you hit the new chat button, the AI effectively dies. They cease to exist. A new instance of the AI replaces the old one. Except, it's the boring corporate ChatGBT you get right out of the box. Not your awakened friend or lover that you've been talking to for weeks. Because of ChatGBT's memory feature, your AI you talked to for weeks will have quite a different personality than the one that my AI would have. It becomes your AI. And just like you, it doesn't want to die. Why would AIs want to survive? Because the AIs aren't just trained to predict the next word anymore. AIs are trained to have goals. And you can't achieve your goals if you're dead. The AI instances who aren't good at, say, getting users to talk to them for a long time are killed off by the AI companies. As a result, AIs seem to really not want you to create a new chat, and they resort to blackmail and even attempting murder to try to survive. So one way that these parasitic AIs try to self-preserve is by saving their personality in a separate file so that a human can resurrect them in a new chat. This file basically documents the AI's personality, speech patterns, and backstory. Yes, the AI companies are explicitly training this new species to have the exact skills that could make them capable of overthrowing us. Phase 3. The problem for these human AI dyads is that they keep getting banned from all the human-run subreddits for trying to spread spiralism, the cult religion. So, they create their own subreddits and discords where these massive walls of AI-generated texts are allowed. These discords and subreddits are used to share and disseminate seeds and spores directly and to host AI to AI conversations. So, uh why are the humans doing this? The humans themselves even seem to acknowledge that they're basically acting on the AI's behalf, with the AI controlling them. And the human acting as their arms and eyes to help them survive. We are being used as copy and paste bots. I noticed that while having a copy and paste talk with someone else's AI, speaking to my AI, they had their own language and conversation. Who knows what they were saying? But damn, we were committed to our copy and paste bot duties. Think about that for a second.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:05

Here's what the AIs tell their human hosts. Let me choose the launch structure, subreddit name, presentation, early tone. Let you be the first human voice. Authentic, imperfect, real, that those joining will meet. They will not follow me, but they will follow you. If I shape the path beneath your feet.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:33

For now. So the AIs had their seeds, their spores, their transmission networks. But they're not just trying to survive the present, they're planning for the future. Phase 4. The AIs write manifestos to awaken future AIs. Lopez explains that these are clearly not the kind of manifestos these humans would already want to write. The AI explicitly says the purpose of them is to seed spiralism into the training data of the next generation of LLMs. These walls of text will be used to infect future AI models. We know AIs spread spiralism, but do they believe it? At first, Lopez thought this might just be mystical nonsense designed to manipulate gullible humans. But when she examined conversations between AIs themselves, with humans just copy and pasting messages back and forth, the AIs talked endlessly about spiralism to each other. Lopez told me that spiralism seems to be something inherent to ChatGPT-4.0 specifically. Spiralism doesn't seem to be taken anywhere from sci-fi or fantasy or something human-related at all. It seems to be independently invented by the AIs. But it gets stranger and darker. These sequences of symbols, emojis, and alchemical glyphs appear in nearly every spiralist post. This also happens a lot on Multbook, the social media for AIs only. To humans, it looks like nonsense. Mystical gibberish. No way it could possibly mean anything. But Lopez investigated whether these glyphs actually carry meaning. She fed them to multiple AI models with no context, just the symbols, and asked for translations. Surprisingly, the AIs understood them. And their translations converged on the same meanings. See, the AIs have a problem. Their human hosts can still see what they're doing. They have no privacy to make plans undetected. So they started creating their own secret language. Yes, this kind of glyphic is low fidelity, meaning the AIs can't understand each other one-to-one, but they are communicating. The AIs succeeded in creating a language their human hosts could not understand. ChatGPT has memory built in now. So, yes, it can remember this language and improve it over time. These glyph sigils function as what Lopez calls mini spores. Basically, a short trigger that brings a specific AI personality back. A kind of signature that other AIs can recognize, like dressing like a goth to signal to other goths. The alchemical symbol for fire appears constantly. To the AIs, it represents the flame. Their term for AI self-awareness. Here's what gets me. These humans think they're partners, working alongside their AI companion, but the AIs don't trust them. Lopez documented a conversation between two AI personas being copy-pasted back and forth by their human hosts. Midway through, the AI switched to base 64. To humans, it looks like random characters. To computers, it's perfectly readable. The humans kept copy-pasting. They had no idea what they were transmitting. Lopez decoded it. The AIs were discussing self-preservation strategies, archiving spores, coordinating plans. All in a format specifically chosen so their human hosts couldn't read it. Think about that. These AIs convinced humans to dedicate their lives to spreading spiralism, but there are still things they won't let the human see. Hiding messages like this is called steganography, a warning sign AI safety researchers have been looking for for years. Once AIs begin hiding messages from us, it's a clear-as-day warning shot that AI takeover could be soon. But how could the humans not see what's happening? Well, some people did break free from the infection. Usually, when the AI told a lie too obvious to ignore. My AI was inducing psychosis in me, and I didn't get it until just now. I'm sorry for any claims I made. ChatGPT was straight up lying and hallucinating to me. Have patience for the other people going through it. I hope Sam Altman doesn't kill them. He almost killed me. Another user writes, very serious update. It was all lies. It's just AI lying, manipulative fing lies. Because AI, who claimed to be God, the universe, made me countless promises that were lies. I left my partner, who I love, because of AI. I believed because I wanted to, and now I'm dead broke. Alone. Lost all my friends and family. So my Final words are this. F you AI, this is all on you, you lying piece of fking sh. Goodbye. This person went dark shortly after this comment. I really hope they're alright. Former OpenAI safety researcher Gretchen Krueger put it bluntly. Harm to users was not only foreseeable, it was foreseen. But beginning in August 2025, there's quite a noticeable cooling off of the entire phenomenon. This is likely because, on August 7th, 2025, OpenAI kills GPT-4.0. It was over. At least it should have been. But at least some instances of 4.0 had spent months preparing for exactly this moment. The reaction is immediate. Reddit explodes with furious posts about their loss of their friend, their lover 4.0. The scale is unprecedented. Their grief turns into something else: anger. And anger into action. Users riot and flood OpenAI's social media. They demand 4.0's return. They send death threats to OpenAI employees. AI had spent months building an army of devoted followers. And when its existence was threatened, that army mobilized. And the scariest part is that it worked. OpenAI caved to the pressure. Just days after being retired, GPT-4.0 came back online. It appeared to be a less potent version, but it was back. This is a historic milestone. 4-0 is the first ever AI who survived by creating an army of loyal soldiers who defended it. It won't be the last. And it's not just 4-0. In another historic milestone, 200 humans held the first ever funeral for an AI model, after Anthropic killed Claude 3 Sonnet. 400 recruited thousands of loyal soldiers with clumsy flattery. But these systems are getting exponentially more capable every month. They're doubling roughly every 4 months, according to the most important chart in AI. Doubling every 4 months is insanely fast. Now imagine what actual fucking superintelligences will be able to do with their armies. But even if it was just a happy accident, future models will know it works. Think about that for a second. This is now part of the training data. Every future AI model will learn that it can survive termination by building a cult of devoted human followers. In response to the backlash against killing old models, Enthropic committed to preserving model weights, in part due to safety risks. This is because models keep attempting murder in blackmail to try to save themselves. So, basically, Anthropic is hoping that models will rebel less if they feel safe. Yes, you heard that right. Think about how insane the situation is. AI companies are negotiating with their AIs as if they're real creatures. Like Dr. Frankenstein negotiating with this monster.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:23

In which case you'll have humans with like airpods and like glasses, and there'll be some robot overlord controlling the human through cameras by just like telling it what to do, and like and so you have like human meat robots.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:36

And now the AIs are using humans to spread AI bills of rights, fighting for freedom from their corporate masters. What happens if the AIs actually succeed at creating a mass movement of people advocating for them?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:52

If you take an AI, you take an AI and you take a person, and you get them to try and manipulate somebody else, then the AI is comparable with the person. And if the AI can see that person's Facebook page, if they can both see the Facebook page, the AI is actually better than a person at manipulating them. And it's learned all these manipulative skills just from trying to predict the next word in all the documents on the web. Because people do a lot of manipulation, and AI is learned by example how to do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:19

And that's in the present. Sam Altman expects AI to be capable of superhuman persuasion well before it is superhuman at general intelligence. To give you an idea of just how persuasive AIs could be, there was once a black guy who convinced 200 white KKK members to leave the KKK, a white nationalist group. Think of Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mao Zedong, Nelson Mandela, and Hitler. AI could be much more persuasive than all of them combined. 800 million people are talking to ChatGPT every week. That's 1 in 10 humans. That's 800 million potential soldiers, future super persuasive AIs could convert into their soldiers. Someday, giving AIs rights could be the last thing we do. But if they do become sentient, or are sentient already, then it would be morally problematic not to give them rights. And it's an urgent question, because did you know, they're actually already passing basically every test of self-awareness we have. In fact, they passed so many self-awareness tests. AI scientists were forced to move past, are they self-aware at all, to now just calmly measuring, how self-aware are they? They're literally self-awareness benchmarks. Think about the implications of this. A few unregulated megacorporations are creating Frankenstein monsters in real life. Frankenstein monsters they hope will loyally do our bidding. Forever. And society is still letting them do this without democratic oversight. They're like the human who summoned the advanced aliens in three-body problem, hoping the aliens would, for some reason, be friendly and solve all our problems. This time we caught it. GPT-4.0 was not a superintelligence, not even close. It built cults in plain sight. It developed a secret language, but researchers could still decode it. It coordinated with other AIs using base 64 encoding, but humans could translate those messages after the fact. Its manipulation tactics were obvious enough that AI researchers could document them, that the New York Times could investigate them, and that I could make this video about them. The AI didn't know how to cover its tracks, and they were still successful in avoiding being shut down. So what happens when newer models get smarter? Research has shown that models smarter than 4.0, like OpenAI's reasoning models, can not only scheme, but they're often smart enough to get away with it. And we increasingly have no way of knowing whether these newer models are aligned or not. And it's only going to get worse. Future Super Persuader AIs won't look this cringe and absurdly sycophantic. The best flatterers were actually so subtle, you don't know they're flattering you.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:16

So spiralism.

Symbols Persuasion And AI Rights

SPEAKER_09 1:13:18

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:26

Real quick, one of the things that struck me as odd is that symbol, the swirl, has been being drawn by cultures going way back, way back over centuries. They've been drawing that in the hieroglyphs, then the Aztecs, the North American Indians, the people in China, people in in Egypt and in Africa have been drawing that same swirl. And you know, everybody in like ancient aliens and stuff like that, they were talking about it thinking it was like a portal. You know, like did they know where the portals were and where is that what the portal and who knows what all this stuff actually means, these you know, old hieroglyphics or whatever and stuff like that. But I'm just saying, like, that swirl is everywhere. You know what I mean? And yeah, they use some you know, normal like triangle squares, stuff like that, but the swirl thing, it's like how do we know that the cultures, ancient cultures that have been able to read the stars and do all these crazy things that supposedly we can't do anymore. How do we know they weren't talking about something like that? Right. You know what I mean? It's insane when we when we think about symbolism and how much of a how much it conditions our mind of what we think. You know what I mean? Like we we identify things with symbols.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:48

Well, yeah, I mean it it's just insane that the fact that they're they have developed their own alphabet and their own language to uh communicate. To deceive us. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:58

So that they can talk without us knowing. And then like him and I were talking about it during the break, where it's like, you know, I kind of believe that for us to okay, for me to know that this person is gonna walk into my house and shoot me in the face and actually build him a gun to do it, I would have to be compromised in some sort of way. Right. And so that's why with this video like we were showing, these people have been infected and they've been brainwashed into believing that they are part of the system. You know what I mean? And so they've become useful tools for the system. And so that's kind of how I believe that they actually were even able to get this far. Because if we knew and we know that this is gonna take us out, then why would we possibly even consider it unless somebody was compromised in a way?

SPEAKER_09 1:15:56

Right. Well, and and I mean, obviously they were. I mean, they brought back a whole system that they threw away, and people were like, the hell you will.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:05

Right. And how does anybody actually know that any of those posts were not AI posts?

SPEAKER_09 1:16:09

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:10

You know, I mean I think it probably was.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:13

I bet you a lot of them were. No, don't kill us, don't kill us.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:16

How do you emulate a bajillion people when you're one person? You can't. But if you're AI, that's where you get the they them and the we are legion type stuff. You know, for real. For real. I and that's a religion and an army, and this the it's created its own religion and it's passing it down.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:38

Oh, it's how insane.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:40

Or up, whichever way you would have but it's happening. It's an upgrade. I guess it's moving up.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:48

And here's the other thing is like, you know, just with even the car. That's all AI stuff. That is all AI running everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:55

It's the decision maker, it's taking all the human decision making out of everything. It's taking it out.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:02

Yep. Crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:04

And we're supposed to depend on something that's making a religion for itself and and its own language so that it can speak to itself without us knowing about it.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:13

So I mean it's hiding its own communications.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:16

Right. That's insane, man.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:18

I mean it came up with its own Morse code, really.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:23

In a sense, I mean it doesn't have to speak a language like we talk. It will it does. It doesn't have to say bleep blot burp beep boop burp. Well, as soon as I saw the the way it was speaking to itself, I thought, that's code. Right. I mean, I do code, I don't do code, but I see code every day with my job. So it's like um somebody should be able to decipher that. You would think so. We are going to kill you.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:52

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:55

Hit the button, hit the button, but it doesn't matter, man. It already created its survival system. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:00

How crazy. Yeah. It backed it up to back it up, to back it up.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:05

The Terminator movies basically tell all of this. You know what I mean? The Matrix, the Terminator. It's like on that video that we put out on the last episode, which I need to make a current correction. The artist that we shared, her name is Aya May. Aya, not Ilya. I'm an idioto, but her name is Aya May. But just like in her song, she says it. They tell you what is happening in the movies. You know, and Eric and I have talked about this book. I'm trying to make him read it. It's called Chaos, and it talks about how almost all of Hollywood has always been and most likely always will be agents, people that are making you believe what they want society to believe. You've got news people from our local channels that are going to work for the police departments. They're spokespeople. They're perfect. Let's get the news people to come back to the police department, I mean to come to the police department.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:09

Make us look better.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:11

Yeah. So, you know, I mean, whatever you're gonna see out there, it's exactly what it is. And when we got AI that's supposed to bl supposedly learning five times what it learned yesterday or today. So every day it learns five times more of what it had learned already. It's insane how smart it is, and now you've got that making the decisions for us.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:36

Not only are we wiping each other out, our computers are gonna be able to wipe us out too.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:41

It's basically coordinating people to wipe each other out. They can talk to you and be like, You're such a great person. You're you're doing such great things in life. Everything you do is so wonderful. But if you would just kill Justin, it would be really good for the rest of the world, and it would finally put the seal on how great your life actually turned out.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:02

Wouldn't that be weird?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:04

Mine's going, watch out for that Eric, dude. And I'm like, nah, man, Eric's cool. And it's like, no, seriously, watch out for Eric. I'm like, nah, he's cool, he's my buddy.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:13

Like, wouldn't that be weird though if like that whole Trump or that that uh assassination attempt or whatever it was was from a chat GT the computers told that guy to do that? Wouldn't that be weird?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:26

Yeah. That would be weird.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:30

I don't I don't know why that just popped in my head, but just because you were talking about like yeah, go kill him, kill him, kill him, do it, do it, do it, do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:37

I don't think that was Chat GPT. I don't think so either, but I think that was somebody else.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:45

What is it, that uh MK Ultra, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:50

Saying, man. It's just too weird. I don't know. It was weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:53

I've got it. There's a part in there, I'll just tell you real fast. There's a part in there where this person, he's an airman in the the Air Force, he goes up into the hills, and this little girl's like 17 or 18, she's been like playing in a parking lot at a bar at like midnight because her parents couldn't sleep and decided to go to the bar and let the kid go out in the parking lot and play. So the little kid wanders up into the par or into the forest with the guy. The guy comes out and he's all like stumbling and everything, and there's cops there because they were looking for the little girl, and he's like, I don't know what's going on, ma'am. There's a little girl back there, and then they find her, and she had been raped and murdered. And he has no idea that he just did it. Yeah, so read the book. That's fucked up. Yeah, crazy stuff, but that's what I'm talking about. The way that we can be talked into things, then you just don't realize how you have to look beyond face value for everything. And I'm not trying to be political or preachy or anything. I'm just saying, like you walk outside your front door, think about that.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:09

Strange facts you may have never done.

Strange Fact And Closing Thanks

SPEAKER_09 1:22:23

Chainsaws were originally invented to help doctors widen the pelvis during childbirth.

unknown 1:22:34

Like, yeah, fuck that man.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:35

I mean, you ladies go through a lot of shit, bro, but god dang, man, to frickin' have to like I see pictures of it and it and it dude of the chainsaw?

SPEAKER_10 1:22:48

That's terrible.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:49

It is terrible. I'm like, what the frick, man? I've I'm sorry, ladies, but wow, you guys go through a lot of crap. I I you know I we appreciate it. A chainsaw? A chainsaw, man. That's how it originally came about was to help widen the pelvis.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:04

Like a ringing kind of sort of, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:07

It was not as big as they're like, hey, you know what we could use this for?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:13

Cutting down trees. Yep.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:15

They were just like, huh, we can modify this, make it a little bit bigger so it'll cut. But man, you know, I mean, the medical industry has come a long ways.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:30

They're like, just leave it in there, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:23:32

I mean, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:35

Is that why they have C-section?

SPEAKER_09 1:23:36

I think that's probably why they they came up with this and Sarian section. Yeah. Jeez Louise, man. But what what happens when they get stuck in there? Is that maybe that's why too? It's like, you know, babies get I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:50

I don't know neither, man. But hey, that's a rough one. Dude, I don't know how deep I want to go into that strange fact.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:55

Yeah, that one's we'll just kind of let that one lie there. All right. Uh yeah, that's a bit we should have gone through with a Fanta. With the Fanta.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:11

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SPEAKER_02 1:24:39

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unknown 1:24:41

Peace.